4 Reasons Why the Leica M2 is Better Than the M3

It looks huge on images, how it is in real handling? Like walking with it every day on one week trip. I'm using neck strap or keep it in the backpack while I"m working.

It handles better than any other M outside the M7 as it's all about function, not form.
It's bigger, but it's not huge. An M9/M-E is bigger/heavier.

Here is my M5 next to a Minolta CLE (tiny), and the best AE RF camera ever - the Agfa Optima 1535 (even tinier)


 
I know it's just a bit of pot stirring fun, but the article rings (mostly) true for me.

Pretty... I find the M2 the most elegant Leica from an industrial design perspective. None of the M3's clunky bevels, none of the M4's slanted rewind or plastic bits, none of the M5's shoebox aesthetic, and none of the M6's fiddly battery door or (shock horror) obnoxious red dot. Even the frame counter looks good.

Viewfinder, well I shoot 28mm. End of story.

Price, not a big difference, but not interested in paying more for a camera that is less (for me).

Hipsterdom/not an M3. I'm not convinced by this point. The hipsters are shooting Yashica RF's and AE1's. Only a Leicaphile is going to pick the difference between an M3/2 on the street...

c'mon, the argument is irrelevant because nobody who buys a Leica is going to have only one Lecia.

Just the one for me. Oddly enough Leica has been my anti-GAS - my M2 is perfect and I've never felt the need for anything else/more. Pentax on the other hand, they just seem to breed in my cupboard...
 
"We should collect them all" (Huss) On the contrary: We should use them all.

K.F. I found them big & awkward in the hands, totally unlike any other like i had used....some people likes that. It didn't work for me. Kind of like an F4 Nikon after years of using an F with plain prism.

I'm afraid M5 VF is not close enough to the edge. Then it like this my schobel get squeezed or I have to turn head.
 
I'm afraid M5 VF is not close enough to the edge. Then it like this my schobel get squeezed or I have to turn head.

I had that concern when I first got my M5, but in actual use I find it to be not a problem. The M5 seems to be the only way to get a properly sized 50mm frameline together with a built-in meter.
 
I'm afraid M5 VF is not close enough to the edge. Then it like this my schobel get squeezed or I have to turn head.


No matter what kamera we are discussing, 'you' really need to pick it up in person and see how it feels to see if it would be a good fit.
My beautiful black Kiev 4am? Miserable to use. Gonna sell mine.
 
Some"Best" Leicas from my personal experience:

M2: 35mm Summilux, Summicron, or Summaron; any 50mm; 90mm Elmarit (or Elmar)
M3: 50mm Noctilux, 75mm Summilux plus external finder; 90mm Summicron; 135mm
M4: same as M2
M5: any 35mm; 50mm f/1.4 or f/2; 90mm Elmarit
M6 with 0.58 finder: Any 28mm or 35mm for eyeglass wearers
M7 or MP with 0.58 finder: see M6 with 0.58 finder

Best small size Leica: The IIIc with Voigtlander lens and external finder

This is just me, now, OK?
 
VF magnification doesn't impact focusing accuracy. Focusing accuracy is dictated by the distance between the beam splitters -which is the same for all M series.


VF magnification doesn't help you focusing. The RF patch is same size and aligning the split image is again independent of magnification.


But finally we all know the M4 was the best.
No, also the magnification of the image is important here, see the difference of the rangefinders on the Leicas II and III with screw mount.


Erik.
It's not just a matter of focusing ease but system accuracy. Erik is right. The screw mount Leicas have a pathetic physical baselength. The only reason they work so well is because the optical magnification is massive.

You are partly right in that the physical baselength is still important Mark. Theoretically, given the choice, a long physical baselength is the superior way to manufacture a highly accurate rangefinder. Why? Because any mechanical means of driving a beam deflector will have manufacturing tolerances. If you take two different systems, one with a moderate degree of magnification but a long physical baselength; the other, vice-versa, the second will have to made to tighter manufacturing tolerances than the first to achieve the same accuracy. Why? Because by using optical magnification to achieve a large effective baselength—it will unavoidably be magnifying any errors induced by production tolerances of the deflector drive system. A point rarely considered.

The screw mount Leicas get away with it because Leitz obviously achieved a level of manufacturing precision sufficient to preserve the accuracy of their rangefinder installations, despite the substantial magnification used and credit to them for that.

But there is more to rangefinder accuracy than even the right degree of manufacturing precision and a large physical baselength. The ratio of gearing of the system greatly impacts accuracy also. Ie the lower geared the beam deflector drive system is, the more accurate it will be.

So...to produce a rangefinder of not just good, or even excellent, but, superlative precision, you need: a huge effective baselength relying more on physical size, than magnification; excellent precision in manufacture equalling, say Leitz, and; a beam deflector that must rotate through the widest possible arc (Ie gearing). Fortunately one manufacturer produced just such a design and it featured a beam deflector which had to travel four times as far as the screw mount Leica equivalent, which, together with its massive EBL, produced a system of such accuracy it has never been equalled, let alone surpassed.
 
Read the article. Meh! To each their own.

Out of the three Leicas that I still own my 1932 Leica II is my go to camera. With a 50 Elmar the Model II is essentially a compact 35 mm that takes almost no space in my messenger bag and is lighter than my M2, which I'll usually use with a 50 Summicron.

For many years, I had both an early production M3 and the M2. The M3, in my opinion, has a superior build.
 
4 reasons

1. RF VF prism is better glued and mirror is more resistant if it splits

2. 0.72 mag can take 28mm lenses easily although there are no frames for such length.

3. Frame counter totally brass, easier and more resistant than the glass loup of the m3

4. The quality of manufacture is top notch but solutions inside are better designed after the experience of the m3. For instance there is a sprocket inside that transmit lever force into the mecanism, in the m2 that sprocket has a coil that helps to damp sudden force into the advance mechanism. And if jammed you can simply push the sprocket up and the whoile mech gets freed.

To me the m2 is the best of all M´s. Second is the M5 😀
 
I think I really ought to track down an M3 just so I’ll have a body suitable for use with my 90mm lenses.

For 35 and 50 the M2 really is an absolute delight. However, for 90mm, it is totally impractical for me. Tried a magnifier and keep poking myself in the eye 😉

OTOH, a 0.58 VF with a 35mm lens is almost better than all of them ........
 
I sold another two film M and will keep just one, because of the CLA cost.


Just the one for me. Oddly enough Leica has been my anti-GAS - my M2 is perfect and I've never felt the need for anything else/more. Pentax on the other hand, they just seem to breed in my cupboard...


Fair enough. I guess that's what I get for saying nobody 🙄
 
The image is too big, you can not oversee the whole image at once. When you look at the right, you don't see the left and vice versa. Try it. To see the whole is important for the composition. The composition is everything in 35mm photography.


Erik.


I second this, and this is one of the things I really enjoy about using a rangefinder camera. I like seeing the frameline rectangle projected onto the view with room to spare, and positioning it on the scene where I feel like it. For this reason the M3 is not the ideal camera for shooting a 50mm for me, I think the 0.85 finder is the best for that.



But in practice I use all kinds of lenses on my M3, shoot SLRs, use a variety of external finders and scale focus cameras etc...
 
I don't want to start a war, but ... 😀

Wouldn't the M-A be one of the best film M ever built? I don't see much love on this forum for the M-A and I always wondered why. I don't have one, but as soon as Leica announces that they will stop producing it (which they certainly will very soon), I'll buy one. Hard to justify almost $5k for a film camera, I know.

the MA sucks, actually
my friend's MA shows issues after about one year
and he found out that, Leica use the same chassis of the MP for the -new-MA
They just cover the battery compartment with a piece of brass and over the time, it gets oxidised.
IMO Leica did really bad job here and it shows that their film cameras are not sold very well as expected.
 
This is the best way to set up your M3:


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MEM on my M3


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M3+MEM+ITOOY
 
I use the Noctilux on my M2 and M7. Never had any issue with focusing accuracy. I agree with Erik that the extra “space” outside 50mm framelines in a 0.72 VF helps in composition (I wear glasses) but this is a matter of personal preference.
 
the MA sucks, actually
my friend's MA shows issues after about one year
and he found out that, Leica use the same chasis of the MP for the -new-MA
They just cover the battery compartment with a piece of brass and over the time, it gets oxydised.
IMO Leica did really bad job here and it shows that their film cameras are not sold very well as exepcted.

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Can't see the image. Can you repost it? I tried to view it on my iphone and my mac with no luck.

I think it is really obvious that the M-A is the MP w/o the meter, so why would Leica create a new chassis? It's the exact same camera but with no electrics and a better set of frame lines. I have no issues w mine.
 
Can't see the image. Can you repost it? I tried to view it on my iphone and my mac with no luck.



I think it is really obvious that the M-A is the MP w/o the meter, so why would Leica create a new chassis? It's the exact same camera but with no electrics and a better set of frame lines. I have no issues w mine.



Here you are. I attached one more photo to show how the oxidizing affects the cover.

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