I've made a huge mistake...

[peterm1]

You mean Schrodinger's cat? So he is both a troll and not a troll, until we look to see which he is? But wouldn't he have to be a very small particle for that?

In my case the Schrodinger's cat is usually inherent in the photos I make. Until I observe them and then process them on my PC I am never sure if the photos are any good or not. Until then they are in a superposition of states representing a good photo and a crappy photo.

In my case the cat often dies. So I only ever show the live ones here. 🙂

Still I have the happy thought that perhaps, due to quantum entanglement, somewhere on the other side of the universe is a living good photo for every crappy one I make.

 

[Pál_K]

Unless I've made a huge mistake... the OP ended up with the 50 Lux ASPH and the 50 APO, then invited everyone to "flame away". 😀

A nice problem to have. He could keep the APO unopened in box for a few years and maybe sell for profit.

Or buy digital Leica to use the APO with.

...
Still I have the happy thought that perhaps, due to quantum entanglement, somewhere on the other side of the universe is a living good photo for every crappy one I make.

Nice to see a fellow enthusiast of quantum physics here.

 

[Archiver]

Thanks to the magic of Google cache, I've been able to read the original post and some of the responses. The OP doesn't look like a troll, unless they're one of us pretending to be a newbie. There's just too much information about various Leica models to be someone who hasn't done a lot of reading and ruminating on Leica film bodies and lenses.

The OP didn't end up with a 50 Lux and 50 APO, but wanted a 50 Lux but got one with oily aperture blades. OP took it back and then upgraded to the APO. And they hadn't collected the M-A body at that time, so didn't even have the experience of shooting with it. The post ended with musing that a M6 with 50 Lux would have been a much cheaper and better (for him) setup.

With that in mind, let's look at it. Sometimes people get carried away by excitement and hype, and do things they weren't really thinking of doing. Just about everyone has made a regrettable purchase or decision, with varying monetary and physical consequences. The main thing is, can you live with it? Can you work with it?

Spending a large sum of money on anything is relative to your environment and personal standards. Loads of people drive a Mercedes or Audi on credit or lease, and in Australia, I know people paying $1600 AUD a month for their car. To me, I'd never pay that much for a car, but I might drop that once a year to get a new lens. But for them, it's a combination of tax write off and disposable income. Someone who is used to owning camera gear worth thousands is less likely to blink at carrying a M-A and 50 APO.

The second issue is the notion that a M6 and 50 Lux is a 'better' purchase than a brand new M-A and 50 APO. Certainly, it's way less expensive and less of a personal effort to carry, if you're not used to that level of gear cost. On the other hand, it's cosmetically different from the M6, is brand new and under warranty, and is easier to repair because it has no electrical innards at all.

If OP was a troll, it was a RF enthusiast who wanted to point out how much money a person can drop on a new Leica setup, and how a M6 and 50 Lux is a functional alternative to a M-A and 50 APO.

 

[Richard G]

Thanks to the magic of Google cache, I've been able to read the original post and some of the responses. The OP doesn't look like a troll, unless they're one of us pretending to be a newbie. There's just too much information about various Leica models to be someone who hasn't done a lot of reading and ruminating on Leica film bodies and lenses.

The OP didn't end up with a 50 Lux and 50 APO, but wanted a 50 Lux but got one with oily aperture blades. OP took it back and then upgraded to the APO. And they hadn't collected the M-A body at that time, so didn't even have the experience of shooting with it. The post ended with musing that a M6 with 50 Lux would have been a much cheaper and better (for him) setup.

With that in mind, let's look at it. Sometimes people get carried away by excitement and hype, and do things they weren't really thinking of doing. Just about everyone has made a regrettable purchase or decision, with varying monetary and physical consequences. The main thing is, can you live with it? Can you work with it?

Spending a large sum of money on anything is relative to your environment and personal standards. Loads of people drive a Mercedes or Audi on credit or lease, and in Australia, I know people paying $1600 AUD a month for their car. To me, I'd never pay that much for a car, but I might drop that once a year to get a new lens. But for them, it's a combination of tax write off and disposable income. Someone who is used to owning camera gear worth thousands is less likely to blink at carrying a M-A and 50 APO.

The second issue is the notion that a M6 and 50 Lux is a 'better' purchase than a brand new M-A and 50 APO. Certainly, it's way less expensive and less of a personal effort to carry, if you're not used to that level of gear cost. On the other hand, it's cosmetically different from the M6, is brand new and under warranty, and is easier to repair because it has no electrical innards at all.

If OP was a troll, it was a RF enthusiast who wanted to point out how much money a person can drop on a new Leica setup, and how a M6 and 50 Lux is a functional alternative to a M-A and 50 APO.

This is wonderful. Google Cache. Classics scholars and archaeologists know of texts now lost to us and write of them as you have done, but not with the missing text in front of them. Hopefully after this thread is deleted someone like you will be around to resurrect the new missing text.

 

[ColSebastianMoran]

Meta-remorse.

But, seriously, I'll bet it was illuminating to the OP to write it all out. I can understand that he decided afterwards that it was a little too much public sharing.

 

[jonmanjiro]

Surely in this day and age posting to an online forum is not without consequences. Ironic to read that others here also frequent other similar forums (and called this out) A simple name change and another forum post ... innocuous as it appears. Seems the same poster has not requested same elsewhere.

Was the OP outright called a troll by multiple posters multiple times on the other forums he posted on? (Genuine question as I haven’t checked)

Edit: Well, I went back and found the deleted thread and checked the posted links to two threads on another forum. Not a single mention of the OP being a troll over there. That only happened on RFF.

[sarcasm]Maaaaate how good is the classy lot at RFF.[/sarcasm]

 

[peterm1]

A nice problem to have. He could keep the APO unopened in box for a few years and maybe sell for profit.

Or buy digital Leica to use the APO with.

Nice to see a fellow enthusiast of quantum physics here.

Yep I am just as puzzled and mystified by quantum physics as the next guy but I keep on cogitating over it. That makes me a kind of quantum tragic. One who even reads limericks on quantum physics - though I prefer dirty ones. 🙂 But if you are the same which I gather you are, you will no doubt get the gist of this (clean) one about quantum entanglement.

Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen

"Two photons, close-coupled at start,
Flew several parsecs apart.
Said one, in distress,
"What you're forced to express
Removes any choice on my part."

 

[Richard G]

Meta-remorse.

But, seriously, I'll bet it was illuminating to the OP to write it all out. I can understand that he decided afterwards that it was a little too much public sharing.

Well put Colonel. In a meta-thread.

 

[zuiko85]

In regards to any 'dream camera'.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Mr. Spock

And no, I don't remember the episode title.

 

[Sonnar2]

In regards to any 'dream camera'.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."
Mr. Spock

Less is more, in terms of gear. A pity that in terms of (new) Leica stuff it costs so much money.

 

[Richard G]

In regards to any 'dream camera'.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Mr. Spock

And no, I don't remember the episode title.

This is one of the most important things I learnt on RFF - not having heard Spock tell the Captain this on TV.

 

[raydm6]

In regards to any 'dream camera'.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."

Mr. Spock

And no, I don't remember the episode title.

Have to agree although I luckily never had remorse after buying.

For me a casual classic film camera shooter, I go through these phases:

Desire > Research > Acquire > Anticipate > Possess > Use > Admire

...then Rinse & Repeat with the next camera

I think I get the most enjoyment from Desire and Admire phase.

 

[PhotoGog]

We have all experienced buyers remorse. Go easy on the guy. He likely just realised he made his third mistake (after the M-A, after the APO) by posting about it. Nothing wrong with a bit of group therapy.

 

[Archiver]

For me a casual classic film camera shooter, I go through these phases:

Desire > Research > Acquire > Anticipate > Possess > Use > Admire

...then Rinse & Repeat with the next camera

I go through exactly the same phases with almost everything I want to buy. I'm heavy on research because I want to be happy with my purchase. Also interesting is noticing how I go through phases of intense interest in wanting things; if I wait long enough, the interest dissipates and I don't spend the money after all! So it's in my best financial interest to research as much as possible before buying something.

 

[EddieJ]

Was the OP outright called a troll by multiple posters multiple times on the other forums he posted on? (Genuine question as I haven’t checked)

I could not say either way. Asking questions about the whys and wherefores verbatim tends to rub peeps the wrong way.

 

[raid]

Getting some extra reassurance here at RFF is something that I have often done. I have been told by some “you know what you need, so why have such a thread?”.
Oh well. I did not troll.

 

[Timmyjoe]

Just quickly looked at the OP's post on the other Leica forum and he seems pretty happy with his purchase. This whole thread has been a mystery to me since he originally posted. Definitely WPP.

Best,
-Tim

 

[Larry Cloetta]

Just quickly looked at the OP's post on the other Leica forum and he seems pretty happy with his purchase. This whole thread has been a mystery to me since he originally posted. Definitely WPP.

Best,
-Tim

Having looked at the responses he got to his query over at the LUF, it’s obvious that he was getting more thoughtful and more detailed information about the characteristics of various lenses over there, without being sidetracked into a focus on cost. Plus, the tenor over there was frankly nicer, sad to say, that observation being hard to escape if one reads the threads from both forums.
Though I am aware that people over there tend to be less bothered by price points than they are here, and they just focus on the actual attributes of things and generally leave cost out of it. Though, that in itself just makes them “fanboys” to some.
Anyway, the different tenor of the threads on the two forums was interesting.
I don’t go over there much as it is too rich for my blood, but they do know their lenses.

 

[raid]

There was a time when many Leica users were posting at P....net, and due to cruel talks there, many joined RFF and stayed here.

 

[Ste_S]

Having looked at the responses he got to his query over at the LUF, it’s obvious that he was getting more thoughtful and more detailed information about the characteristics of various lenses over there, without being sidetracked into a focus on cost. Plus, the tenor over there was frankly nicer, sad to say, that observation being hard to escape if one reads the threads from both forums.
Though I am aware that people over there tend to be less bothered by price points than they are here, and they just focus on the actual attributes of things and generally leave cost out of it. Though, that in itself just makes them “fanboys” to some.
Anyway, the different tenor of the threads on the two forums was interesting.
I don’t go over there much as it is too rich for my blood, but they do know their lenses.

Different threads. The one over there was asking advice about a potential new purchase. The one here was a humblebrag about what he'd just bought, including an impulse purchase of a 6.5k lens. natch.