I've made a huge mistake...

[davidnewtonguitars]

At first I was tempted to call a troll, having been one in the past (not here, over on "guitars") but held back, then called "not a troll, an excited almost owner, remorseful before the fact, and talkative." I suppose the troll calling was the downfall of the thread, I will be ashamed and learn from it.
You know you can edit your posts any time, right?
Just today, because of asking & getting advice here I have decided not to buy one more camera? Saved $175. Be content, oh self.

 

[davidnewtonguitars]

Hey Sanders, I like your Insta, do you step up and ask for permission to take a shot? Nice!

Different threads.

 

[Huss]

I just dont see the benefits of the apo lens on film from a technical/artistic viewpoint.
I do w the more expensive noctilux as u can see its signature on the image.

 

[Contarama]

Get an affluenza shot and call me in a few days. I don't think we are going to miss out on much in this situation.

 

[Rayt]

On a photo forum when the subject of Leica is brought up there will be inevitable trolling from virtuous people who regularly donate their income and make do with a point and shoot. “Fondler, dentist, affluenza”. Whatever. Happens here regularly: “I had money for the APO but donated it to Mother Teresa’s leprechaun colony and have been using a scratched up Takumar. See my photo of the gate leading up to the Castle D’If in bright sunlight? No difference you fondlers.”

 

[Huss]

Get an affluenza shot and call me in a few days. I don't think we are going to miss out on much in this situation.

Eat steak? You should be eating spam.
Drive a car? You should be walking.
Bought new pants? Should have gone to the thrift shop.

A Leica M-A and a 50 Apo is a dream combo for some. More power to them.

 

[jarski]

knowing the anti-Leica crowd here, can easily guess what kind of welcome he/she(who?) got when telling of buying that kind of kit. no wonder the thread got deleted.

 

[Pál_K]

Scratched up Takumar?

Luxury.

Back when I was a lad all we had for a kit was the broken base of a Coke bottle pushed through a shoebox and we were grateful for it, we were.

 

[Guth]

The irony in all of this for me is that I don't believe Leica would still be operating today were it not for the Internet. That's not meant as a knock on Leica — I feel this same way about a variety of businesses. Hopefully the creator of the original thread finds some peace in whatever action ends up being taken.

 

[Ste_S]

Hey Sanders, I like your Insta, do you step up and ask for permission to take a shot? Nice!

Most kind ! Yup, all of the portrait-y ones I've asked for permission.

 

[Rayt]

The irony in all of this for me is that I don't believe Leica would still be operating today were it not for the Internet. That's not meant as a knock on Leica — I feel this same way about a variety of businesses. Hopefully the creator of the original thread finds some peace in whatever action ends up being taken.

I understand what you mean but I am pedantic and will reply with an observation.

If there is no internet then digital photography would not have existed or at least not as a consumer product. The big four would still be making film cameras. Leica would have continued with whatever they were planning back 20 years ago. And the R system would be autofocus and that's about it.

 

[Rob-F]

I understand what you mean but I am pedantic and will reply with an observation.

If there is no internet then digital photography would not have existed or at least not as a consumer product. The big four would still be making film cameras. Leica would have continued with whatever they were planning back 20 years ago. And the R system would be autofocus and that's about it.

"The big four." Leica, Nikon, Hasselblad, Canon? Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Minolta? Pentax, Canon, Minolta, Fuji? Minolta, Hasselblad, Arca Swiss, Rollei? Rollei, Minolta, Canon, Leica? :angel:

 

[Brian Atherton]

broken base of a Coke bottle pushed through a shoebox

Sheer luxury.

When I were a lad we dreamt of Coke bottles and shoe boxes.

You don't know how lucky you were. 😀

 

[Rayt]

"The big four." Leica, Nikon, Hasselblad, Canon? Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Minolta? Pentax, Canon, Minolta, Fuji? Minolta, Hasselblad, Arca Swiss, Rollei? Rollei, Minolta, Canon, Leica? :angel:

Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki

Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Pentax

John, Paul, George, Ringo

Ford, GM, Chrysler, Jeep (?)

Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda

 

[css9450]

Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki

Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Pentax

John, Paul, George, Ringo

Ford, GM, Chrysler, Jeep (?)

Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda

Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer...

 

[Archiver]

Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Slayer...

Missionary, doggy, cowgirl, spoons... 😀

 

[Huss]

Sheer luxury.

When I were a lad we dreamt of Coke bottles and shoe boxes.

You don't know how lucky you were. 😀

Enough of this sickening affluenza.
When I was a boy I just stared into the distance and people told me of their dreams of coke bottles and shoe boxes.

 

[Huss]

Let me consult with the great oracle to see if this anti-Leica bias is based on a bitter bean breakfast

 

[Ste_S]

Of course, the Leicans can get a bit feisty at times (from the Takumar thread)

I believe them to be mechanical and optical deficient. I dropped two or three onto my bed while changing lenses and the diaphragms immediately became sticky. That is about an 18" fall to soft surface!

I tried to match the photos in the paper sample books for years and could never get it right. We moved in 1976 and a wedding photography neighbor loaned me his Leica M3. Same bulk roll of Plus x and same batch of developer and the prints came alive.

Sold 12 lenses and 4 bodies all of which were purchased new at Altman Camera and started my Leica collection.


So you think these are great. Think again.

 

[willie_901]

Leave Schrödinger Out Of This

Leave Schrödinger Out Of This

Schrödinger's cat is a succinct reminder of the teleological difference between the classic and the quantum. That's it. There's nothing more.

Details

Schrödinger was attempting to show quantum mechanics phenomena are deterministic when he discovered his wave equation. The results displeased him but the indeterministic mathematic solutions he discovered are undeniable.

"I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.", Erwin Schrödinger commenting on his Wave Equation

Schrödinger's cat thought experiment is nonsense in terms of all human experience before quantum mechanics.

Before quantum mechanics Nature was completely described by determinism. Then confusing results from experiments with light were perfectly explained by indeterministic mathematical models. The mathematics of quantum mechanics are not deterministic. The results are essentially probabilities. This is an oversimplification. But the situation is very different than classical physics. This was distressing and unacceptable to many physicists.

How can Nature be both deterministic and indeterministic? Something is wrong. Our knowledge of Nature must be incomplete. At the same time, over 100 years later, not only have those indeterministic mathematical solutions been perfectly consistent with experimental results - they also predicted counterintuitive phenomena such as spin echos and self-induced transparency.

The point is: Schrödinger's cat makes us confront our intuitive common sense does not apply to quantum mechanics. Schrödinger's cat reveals that (so far) quantum mechanics is incompatible with human experience and common sense. This is the only context where Schrödinger's thought experiment is useful.

Schrödinger's cat does not apply to anything completely explained by determinism. There is no mystery or paradox in classical physics. While, some deterministic solutions may be extraordinarily difficult to compute, they exist. Likewise Schrödinger's cat does not apply to human experience. People make decisions based on what they perceive as wisdom at the time of their decision. Unwise decisions are not inherently indeterministic. They are simply incomplete and, or premature.