Sumarongi
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@Well known: doesn't necessarily mean honest, does it?
Leica M2 + LTM lens
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@Well known: doesn't necessarily mean honest, does it?
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Well known would give money back. He sold non working camera as after CLA.
As for lens. Try another lens. Or try it on another camera.
As for lens. Try another lens. Or try it on another camera.
rcubed
Canadian
I had a cheap LTM adapter where they didnt mill out enough of the notch for the rangefinder cam to move all the way to the 1m position..
I had to grind the adapter for it to work properly.
I had to grind the adapter for it to work properly.
Sumarongi
Registered Vaudevillain
Kudos! -- if one has a fine diagnostic ability one can invent a simple yet excellent workaround! 🙂
David Hughes
David Hughes
This not the best photograph I have taken but I hope it shows what's needed. All bits and pieces from Weztlar...
Regards, David
Regards, David
xasthur
Established
Well, the seller will not give me my money back so I'm stuck with it. The seller said that he never guarantee it was working. He said he will give me the CLA receipt and also call the repair man and talk to him so he can make the proper adjustments. I called the original repairman and he told me that he doesn't remember working on a M2 for a while. Now "a while" could mean anything to anyone sigh. So I'm currently dealing with the seller who lied to me and sold me something that was broken and apparently a repair man that doesn't remember working on one recently.
So right now I currently have a camera I can only shoot at 1/125 of a second that I paid full price for.
The repair man seems like a genuine kinda guy and said if the guy doesn't give me my money back I can bring the camera to him and he will check it out for me since I'm getting screwed. BUT, if it was indeed him that originally CLA'd it then do I really want to take it back to him so he can "CLA" it again? I mean who know what happened before. Hell, it's already broken.
Now I know the path that I should take and that would be send it to YYE or someone else who is a known and respected Leica repair man/woman. This is a mess I wasn't expecting but knew could happen with these old cameras. It just sucks.
So right now I currently have a camera I can only shoot at 1/125 of a second that I paid full price for.
The repair man seems like a genuine kinda guy and said if the guy doesn't give me my money back I can bring the camera to him and he will check it out for me since I'm getting screwed. BUT, if it was indeed him that originally CLA'd it then do I really want to take it back to him so he can "CLA" it again? I mean who know what happened before. Hell, it's already broken.
Now I know the path that I should take and that would be send it to YYE or someone else who is a known and respected Leica repair man/woman. This is a mess I wasn't expecting but knew could happen with these old cameras. It just sucks.
Peter Jennings
Well-known
Well, at least you'll know to never trust this seller again. Even if he didn't expressly guarantee it was working, he implied as much by saying it was recently serviced - dishonest and deceptive. Any reputable seller would take it back and refund your money. Look at it this way, after servicing you'll have a beautiful camera that should last a lifetime.
View Range
Well-known
Because you are in LA, I would have Steve's Camera Repair in Culver City look at it rather than sending it off to YYE.
xasthur
Established
Ohh, thanks for the recommendation on Steve's camera repair. Also I asked for the receipt from the seller and he hasn't sent it yet and then continued to say that when he attempted to call the guy who CLA'd it he wouldn't pick up.. Said he will keep trying. I made a video below of my M2.
https://youtu.be/nt2_mDhiPXU
https://youtu.be/nt2_mDhiPXU
Sumarongi
Registered Vaudevillain
How much exactly did you pay?
trotsky1920
trotsky
Not to be a jerk here, Never take a sellers word on a camera and its history....Ever! Always plan on sending it in for a C.L.A. Should be the 1st thing you do before you even bother putting a roll of film in it...I recommend Youxon Ye for the work, he is honest, priced correct for the work he does, and I have always had a pretty fast turn around. That way when you get the camera back you know it should be good to go. Adapter wise, when I bought my M2 (my 1st M) all I had were Leitz screw mount lenses. I bought a cheap adapter...said it was American made rather than the cheap Chinese ones with known problems...well nope didn't even come close to going on the camera all the way...after that decided that it's a expensive camera (for me) but I'm already paid into ownership, why would I buy a cheap adapter? you will always be better off with a Leitz product than a aftermarket one. Keep a look out on eBay for a Leitz one make sure it has M2 and M3 stamped on it...they run about $75, but do come up cheaper...if you look at the camera as a lifelong companion...what you spend on quality is worth it
xasthur
Established
He wanted 800 for it but I talked him down to 750. Which isn't full price I know. When i typed that i was really frustrated. Now that i think about it about it 750 plus say 180 for yye to CLA isn't that bad i guess.
Just this whole experience really stresses me out.
xasthur
Established
You are correct, I was just so excited because the M2 has been my dream camera for a long time and I finally was able to get one and I get this sour experience. But I'll eventually get it all fixed up and will have a interesting story on how I got my first M2. Heh
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
That's US $750 for a Leica M2?
That's a good price, sitting here in England I have been looking for something and the odd M2, M4 and M6 came up as part of the parade and so I looked at M2 prices as I wondered what mine would cost these days.
I would have to be lucky and find a dealer in the UK with one or else go to the other specialists in Germany or Austria. Either way I'd pay a lot more than you did; add in a repair or adjustment and I reckon you'd still come out OK. Plus you'd have the guarantee of the work and know everything was OK.
BTW, not all Chinese adapters are rubbish; there's good stuff out there and a lot of dealers in your/our countries stock it and sell it because they know it will work. Try looking at the ebay price for an adapter and you might find Leitz ones for about what my M2 cost me...
Regards, David
That's US $750 for a Leica M2?
That's a good price, sitting here in England I have been looking for something and the odd M2, M4 and M6 came up as part of the parade and so I looked at M2 prices as I wondered what mine would cost these days.
I would have to be lucky and find a dealer in the UK with one or else go to the other specialists in Germany or Austria. Either way I'd pay a lot more than you did; add in a repair or adjustment and I reckon you'd still come out OK. Plus you'd have the guarantee of the work and know everything was OK.
BTW, not all Chinese adapters are rubbish; there's good stuff out there and a lot of dealers in your/our countries stock it and sell it because they know it will work. Try looking at the ebay price for an adapter and you might find Leitz ones for about what my M2 cost me...
Regards, David
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xasthur
Established
Yeah, when he said that I thought wow thats a really good deal. especially since it has no scratches and the viewfinder is crystal clear. besides the insides of course.
David Hughes
David Hughes
Lucky you then; just get it sorted out and you'll have a good looking camera "as new" or "minty" as they say when selling and it will have a guarantee from the repairer.
I can understand you being disappointed but you can come out of it as the winner with a nice camera for a bargain price. I often buy cheap good looking cameras knowing I'll have to pay to get them sorted out but looks are the one thing they can't repair.
I don't know what other think but a good M2 from a dealer is well over a thousand in this part of the world.
Regards, David
xasthur
Established
I posted a video a few replies ago and in the video I was asking about the advance lever and how it has a kinda harsh movement right before it locks the shutter in place to then take a photo. Anyone with a M2 can confirm if that is normal or not?
https://youtu.be/nt2_mDhiPXU
Also I will be taking my camera to Steve's Camera repair here in LA to have him look at it. Hopefully he's not to expensive.
https://youtu.be/nt2_mDhiPXU
Also I will be taking my camera to Steve's Camera repair here in LA to have him look at it. Hopefully he's not to expensive.
goamules
Well-known
When I got my M3 it needed work. I sent it to Sherry Krauter. These are more complicated than the earlier Barnack types. She was factory trained at Leica. My camera came back like new, she cleaned, repaired many items I didn't even notice. One example was the strap eyelets, which she informed me were loose and could cause the camera to drop off the strap. She repaired a big chip out of the leatherette covering. She got the self timer working, and all speeds in the shutter are spot on. The M types are like Swiss watches....I would use Sherry or Dag to CLA one. After several "Bubba" jobs with other repair techs, I've decided the best cameras go to the best repair persons. Otherwise you take some chances it won't be done right.
bhop73
Well-known
Bummer dude. I once bought a Nikon S2 with a similar problem. When I shot my test roll, the shutter was capping at 500 and 1000 shutter speeds. The seller listed it as "works well" but he didn't accept returns. I decided just to keep it and will probably eventually get it fixed..
Anyway, i've sent my M6 to Youxin a few times, 3 times for the same problem, which also happens to be shutter capping. It still does it a little.. based on my M6 experience, i'd probably see if Sherry or Dag can fix it if it were me, unless cost, and time is an issue, in which Youxin can probably handle it since the other two seem to take forever (based on what i've read in the forums) I'm impatient..
Anyway, i've sent my M6 to Youxin a few times, 3 times for the same problem, which also happens to be shutter capping. It still does it a little.. based on my M6 experience, i'd probably see if Sherry or Dag can fix it if it were me, unless cost, and time is an issue, in which Youxin can probably handle it since the other two seem to take forever (based on what i've read in the forums) I'm impatient..
traveler_101
American abroad
All this assumes that the problem can be fixed by a simple CLA. Is that necessarily true? Perhaps there is something more serious wrong.
As for price: prices are lower in the U.S. across the board so I don't think a comparison with the UK is necessarily relevant.
$750 for a camera that doesn't work is pretty high. The seller got away with robbery.
Everyone complains about Ebay, but if the transaction had been completed there the seller would have been forced to refund the buyer in whole or part - of course then prices are higher on Ebay now.
I hope Youxin can fix it without a major outlay.
