cz23
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It sure is. I looked a couple days ago and it was there. All things must pass.
I'm considering one, but wouldn't buy new, anyway.
John
M7 Discontinued after 15 years
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It sure is. I looked a couple days ago and it was there. All things must pass.
I'm considering one, but wouldn't buy new, anyway.
John
DavidC
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upgrade viewfinder
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I hope that before Leica exits the film rangefinder they will do one last effort and improve the eye relief of their squinty viewfinders. For glass wearers relief came in the form of the Zeiss ZM which unfortunately has disappeared from the scene.
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I hope that before Leica exits the film rangefinder they will do one last effort and improve the eye relief of their squinty viewfinders. For glass wearers relief came in the form of the Zeiss ZM which unfortunately has disappeared from the scene.
maddoc
... likes film again.
Where is the M4-2 shutter different as compared to the M4-P shutter? I had both cameras for a couple of years and never noticed a difference.
GarageBoy
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Just curious, besides the DX reader fiasco - anyone suffer any electronics failure?
sepiareverb
genius and moron
I’ve had six or seven over the years, several with DX woes, but no other issues. Shooting with one today.
rulnacco
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Sorry this is not germane to the original post, but does address something else touched upon above:
Yes, you can set intermediate speeds on the M6. I know, because I do it on mine all the time. And that ability can be very useful.
This may come as a shock to some of us, but as a mechanical camera, your M's shutter speeds are probably not bang-on accurate across the board. In fact, I've had a famous Leica serviceman tell me that it's almost impossible to get both the slow speeds and the faster speeds totally on the button--you can usually get one set right on, but the other won't be 100% accurate when that happens.
Using a proper shutter tester, I've found that to be the case with my M3 and M6. The speeds up to 1/60 on both cameras are well within spec. However, on both cameras the faster speeds (particularly 1/250 through 1/1000) are actually considerably faster than marked. So to get much more accurate shutter speeds, I set the shutter speed dial midway (roughly) between the desired speed indicator and the next slower speed. On both cameras, that gets me close enough to the actual desired speed to feel comfortable shooting slide film that way.
Yes, you can set intermediate speeds on the M6. I know, because I do it on mine all the time. And that ability can be very useful.
This may come as a shock to some of us, but as a mechanical camera, your M's shutter speeds are probably not bang-on accurate across the board. In fact, I've had a famous Leica serviceman tell me that it's almost impossible to get both the slow speeds and the faster speeds totally on the button--you can usually get one set right on, but the other won't be 100% accurate when that happens.
Using a proper shutter tester, I've found that to be the case with my M3 and M6. The speeds up to 1/60 on both cameras are well within spec. However, on both cameras the faster speeds (particularly 1/250 through 1/1000) are actually considerably faster than marked. So to get much more accurate shutter speeds, I set the shutter speed dial midway (roughly) between the desired speed indicator and the next slower speed. On both cameras, that gets me close enough to the actual desired speed to feel comfortable shooting slide film that way.
Rob-F
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I don't think so. You can certainly set the dial between speeds, but I believe the shutter will fire at the closest standard speed to your intermediate setting.
Very true. I think the factory standard is ten percent, or else twenty (I'm trying to remember). More likely twenty, if memory serves. But even at twenty percent, that is still not even a 1/3 stop error. I think the tolerance is wider for the 1/1000 speed.
With that said, I like the added precision of the M7! Look, My Nikon FE2s have had electronic shutter control for 30 years, and my FM3a for quite a while, and I've had no failures! What's wrong with a Leica having the same? The M7 may just be the best Leica of all! In fact, I would declare it the best, except for that dreadful undersized 50mm frame line! (You will never hear the end of this from me.)
DanskDynamit
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the Ikon ZM killed it...
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Huss
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DanskDynamit
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rulnacco
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No, I can verify that's not correct. For example, if I set my M6 at the marked shutter speed of 1/250th, it actually fires at 1/400. If I set it at 1/500, I get 1/750. By setting the dial midway between 1/125 and 1/250 I get a measured 1/250 (close enough, certainly) and to get an actual 1/500 *measured*, I can set it midway between 1/250 and 1/500. I carefully tested all the shutter speeds with a professional shutter tester (and where I needed to set the dial to get the *actual* speeds I wanted) and I carry around a little table with my M3 and my M6 to remind me where to set the dial to get the desired marked speeds with each camera. (Well, honestly, I *don't* carry it around anymore, as by now I've memorized where to set the dial. See if you can get ahold of a shutter tester and try it with your own M6, and you can confirm it for yourself--and find out how far off *your* speeds are! 😱)
HHPhoto
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Last week at the Photokina fair I asked Leica at their booth about the reasons why the M7 was discontinued: They replied the problem has been certain parts which are not manufactured anymore by the supplier. And a complete new design of these parts would have been much too expensive which prohibitive costs.
Therefore they had to discontinue it unfortunately.
But the MP and M-A are definitely not affected by this and will be kept in production. Leica said both will have a long-term future.
The demand for these two film based models is even increasing!
Interestingly, the by far best selling Leica of all their models (including all digital cameras) is the Leica Sofort for Instax film. They said it is a huge succes for Leica.
Cheers, Jan
Therefore they had to discontinue it unfortunately.
But the MP and M-A are definitely not affected by this and will be kept in production. Leica said both will have a long-term future.
The demand for these two film based models is even increasing!
Interestingly, the by far best selling Leica of all their models (including all digital cameras) is the Leica Sofort for Instax film. They said it is a huge succes for Leica.
Cheers, Jan
