What's going on with used prices?

I personally have had two Stylus Epics (mju II), two Canonets, and one Electro 35 all die on me in the time i've owned my M6... as an example.

Thank you. All cheaper consumer models. I can see that happening. Any P&S from the 90s seems to be the worst at failing and being able to be serviced (Nikon 35ti, Leica CM, etc). I was thinking more in the realm of SLRs from that period.
 
Thank you. All cheaper consumer models. I can see that happening. Any P&S from the 90s seems to be the worst at failing and being able to be serviced (Nikon 35ti, Leica CM, etc). I was thinking more in the realm of SLRs from that period.

My F100 also died a few months back, I forgot about that one.. I dunno if that counts as a cheap consumer model or not.
 
Has anyone looked athte price of Hasselblad Xpan's these days?

Now that's a camera we all should have invested into years ago . . .
 
The increase in leica isn’t all that much, and if the camera is well-cared for you’ll get it back if you sell, or more; unlikely it will be less. Ditto with Xpan, Mamiya.
 
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Wish I still had them! ...
 
My Mamiya 7 kit cost me like 800$ to put together and I made a little off it when selling.

I was blown away recently when looking at getting another. NO WAY. Remember they are plastic and crack up pretty easily!

As for Leica prices. I see maybe a 10-15% increase over the past few years. You can still find those good deals if being patient.

A M3 DS is still under 900$ a user M2 850$ or so.

The M4-2/P used to be the undesirable and now they easily top M2 and M4 prices.

I do not see them getting any cheaper. Buy now. Fuss later! Haha

Now talk about Bessa prices once they were discontinued. Sky high.

My Bessa R cost about twice as much as I remember used prices being 8 years ago. (Now about 300-400$ then around 175-250$)
 
i bought a konica big mini bm-300 in like new condition on the auction site for a "good" price of $160.

i took 7 photos with it, and then it bricked on me. now i'm keeping an eye out for a parts body to get the AF motor. given enough time, it's still repairable. LOL!

lesson learned: electronic, computerized film cameras are not worth spending much money on.

poor repairability of certain cameras will pop the price bubble, if anything will.
 
poor repairability of certain cameras will pop the price bubble, if anything will.

I honestly don't think it will. Everyone knows that these things ('90's P&S's) are paper-weights waiting to happen, and yet a T3 is still edging towards $2k.

I suspect that every time one dies it will just increase the 'value' of the rest as supply diminishes and demand remains the same.
 
Has anyone looked athte price of Hasselblad Xpan's these days?

Now that's a camera we all should have invested into years ago . . .

I have, and I rue the day when I didn't buy one when they were reasonably affordable. But then again, I'm also somewhat glad I don't have an expensive, ticking, unrepairable time bomb on my hands...

Since I don't have three grand burning a hole in my pocket, I'm lugging around a Pentax 6x7 with a panoramic converter for my wide aspect jollies. It's not as compact and light as the Xpan, but it's also not as Xpan-$ive... 😀
 
I honestly don't think it will. Everyone knows that these things ('90's P&S's) are paper-weights waiting to happen, and yet a T3 is still edging towards $2k.

I suspect that every time one dies it will just increase the 'value' of the rest as supply diminishes and demand remains the same.

That could be possible.
Another reason which could keep the price level relatively high: Some repair specialists are now focussing on these cameras fixing defunct electronics, like
https://www.instagram.com/camerarescue/
or
Pierro Pozella, who is an expert for Contax T2 / T3 repairs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcIusrw50PM
 
I honestly don't think it will. Everyone knows that these things ('90's P&S's) are paper-weights waiting to happen, and yet a T3 is still edging towards $2k.

I suspect that every time one dies it will just increase the 'value' of the rest as supply diminishes and demand remains the same.

For sure, part of the price increase is people fighting over computerized, electronic cameras that are still working. Even bricked parts bodies are price inflated.

I'm still worried that repairmen can't fully deal with these cameras, though. I follow PPP Repairs on IG, too, and he's mostly fixing things like broken flashes and lens extension on P&S cameras. I don't think he's fixed AF motors on a Contax or other P&S, and I'm sure it's a hassle to fix anything that needs a parts body. In the future, that's the biggest issue repairmen will face.
 
FWIW overall camera prices are still lower than they were in the 90's. Two big things: the last generation of high grade cameras is still in its depreciation slump (although this will change, and probably pretty soon). And the internet means buyers aren't held captive by local camera shops/camera shows - which is a big deal. A lot of the older "rare" cameras turned out to not be so rare when the internet lets you find one for sale in another state or another country even.

The decline of film has had an impact, but I don't think it has made as a deep of a cut as some people think. A lot of people have hung onto cameras they like, or invested a lot of money in, even if they switched primarily to digital. And those who didn't switch scooped up a lot of the better equipment. The decline of film only tanked prices on consumer level equipment, the last generations of which are also still in their depreciation slump (and will likely not come out of it, for I can barely see a market for it in the future).

The internet has also led to some price bubbles. Bokeh Kings, Bokeh Monsters, etc. Some of these bubbles take four or five years to pop, but eventually prices even out again. And I will always have to remark on the Diana camera bubble, where boxed Diana cameras were getting $200+ on ebay for a couple of years, and now boxed examples are getting maybe $50 or $60 if the seller is lucky. Leica has a long standing hype cult which means prices are usually high, although again, we've seen fads for particular lenses or models inflate prices here and there until people get bored.
 
What will pop the bubble is when one of the makers turns out a new model. If Kodak has any entrepreneurial verve left, they’d approach someone (? Cosina ? Ricoh) to make a model with their name labeled on it.

And while they’re at it a REAL film scanner with their film profiles. Not rebranded chicken shyte out of the Peeplz Republik
 
Home Developing and Scanners

Home Developing and Scanners

As said above, home developing and reasonable quality scanners for a couple of hundred bucks support the market for quality film cameras. Plus, aging baby boomers with moderate retirement accounts and extra time to home develop support today's prices.

Regarding downturns in retirement accounts and overall accumulated wealth, I doubt if many people with a $1,000,000 retirement account pre-2008, whose account may have fell to $500,000 in the great recession, started selling off Leica bodies or lenses in order to survive. I bet people were going into foreclosure but hanging on to their collectibles.

However, the prospect of losing a job in 2008 and 2009 likely pushed down demand so prices naturally fell.

My 2 cents.

Ray
 
My Mamiya 7 kit cost me like 800$ to put together and I made a little off it when selling.

I was blown away recently when looking at getting another. NO WAY. Remember they are plastic and crack up pretty easily!

As for Leica prices. I see maybe a 10-15% increase over the past few years. You can still find those good deals if being patient.

A M3 DS is still under 900$ a user M2 850$ or so.

The M4-2/P used to be the undesirable and now they easily top M2 and M4 prices.

I do not see them getting any cheaper. Buy now. Fuss later! Haha

Now talk about Bessa prices once they were discontinued. Sky high.

My Bessa R cost about twice as much as I remember used prices being 8 years ago. (Now about 300-400$ then around 175-250$)

Fads change, some fads are realistic, other are not. The Bessa R may be realistic, but I don't think the Olympus Trip 35 fad was realistic.
 
I think with the resurgence of film photography over the past few years, the market for cameras that are sold directly from original owners has dried up. All you see now are dealers and people who buy & sell on Ebay to make a profit.
 
i bought a konica big mini bm-300 in like new condition on the auction site for a "good" price of $160.

i took 7 photos with it, and then it bricked on me. now i'm keeping an eye out for a parts body to get the AF motor. given enough time, it's still repairable. LOL!

lesson learned: electronic, computerized film cameras are not worth spending much money on.

poor repairability of certain cameras will pop the price bubble, if anything will.

same thing happened with a big mini i purchased at an estate sale. looked brand new, had no issues with Roll #1. then bricked.
 
Another factor is the stupidity of buyers.

Do a search on ebay and you'll get results for BIN and auctions. But people will often bid way above BIN prices in auctions. I've made offers and had them accepted and then noticed the ones being auctioned going above the first BIN price.

Regards, David
 
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