Gas Free! Why My Camera Collection is Far Better Than Yours...

Do you not think that by posting a thread, saying that your collection is 'better' and that you are a 'genius' is kind of similar to me starting a thread saying I am the only person who is right and everyone else is a cock?

I wouldn't do that, because I am not a pr1ck.
 
Nick, Your philosophy is absolutly correct. For shutter quietness I'll put my Canonet QL 17 up against any M leica anyday. For shooting in low light I'll take my Yashica GSN with the Yashinon 45/1.7 lens. I'll keep my Canon AE1p (that my wife gave me) with my 50/1.4 ssc lens that I bought off ebay for $12.00 Canon 35-70 3.5 which is a killer lens. For medium format I love my Holga that gives me interesting pictures that a Hassy cannot give me! I love my Bessa R that has a brilliant vf that, for the money I paid, will put up against a Leica M's vf. And best of all is, I don't have to put a piece of damn gaffers tape on my camera to cover the red dot. Oh yea! the black I-61 that I bought brand new, still in the box with my Fed 5 that I paid $10.00 for is considered one of the better russian lenses, & I love the click stops. The only thing Leica that I own is my Elmar 50/3.5 & that stays on my Zorki 2c. I don't own a dslr. Too afraid I might break one of those cheap plastic lenses. Well!... someone had to take sitemistics place!!;)
 
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Nick, I agree with pretty much everything you say, or more precisely the philosophy behind it, and I'm even on your list of Electro believers. But there is something missing here :) you talk about cameras for photographers, not collectors or leica lovers too scared to use the camera in case they hurt it, so where are the pictures from this perfect kit :)
 
gb hill said:
I don't own a dslr. Too afraid I might break one of those cheap plastic lenses.
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Amazing how many luddites around here can't figure out the dials on a dSLR, so they think no one can. Does your VCR blink 12:00 too?

Perhaps you weren't aware that you can put 'real' lenses on most dSLRs if you want to. I shoot my Pentax quite a bit with a simple, low-cost, manual-focus SMC-A 50mm f/1.7. Works just great, and stopped down to f/2.4, it's terrifically sharp. Oh, I also put the dSLR under manual control, too. I control the shutter speed, aperture, ISO, White Balance, and I've put a nice split-focus film-era viewscreen in, too. Strangely enough, it does everything my film cameras ever have, and since I'm not somewhere north of 60K shutter actuations, I feel it is a purchase that was well worth it for me.

But hey, you go on thinking that dSLR cameras are fragile. Silly old Pooh.
 
Wonderful thread.
Apparently 'truth and beauty' is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
I'm a believer, Nick.
 
gb hill said:
I don't own a dslr. Too afraid I might break one of those cheap plastic lenses. Well!... someone had to take sitemistics place!!;)
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Sitemistic may have been opinionated, but not ignorant. Bmattock already jumped on this but I have to comment too: just like any 35mm 'kit' comes with cheap garbage for lenses so does any DSLR kit. There's nothing stopping you from picking up the body alone and sticking any kind of superb glass on there. I shoot a 28/3.5 Super Takumar on mine.

As for breaking, I suspect my DSLR with its magnesium alloy body will take a tumble quite a bit better than your RF cameras -- how well do you think that fancy rangefinder mechanism will survive a good bump?

As for this thread: now I wonder if all the times in the past that I got annoyed at Nick's posts he was just yanking our chain...
 
bmattock said:
Amazing how many luddites around here can't figure out the dials on a dSLR, so they think no one can. Does your VCR blink 12:00 too?

Perhaps you weren't aware that you can put 'real' lenses on most dSLRs if you want to. I shoot my Pentax quite a bit with a simple, low-cost, manual-focus SMC-A 50mm f/1.7. Works just great, and stopped down to f/2.4, it's terrifically sharp. Oh, I also put the dSLR under manual control, too. I control the shutter speed, aperture, ISO, White Balance, and I've put a nice split-focus film-era viewscreen in, too. Strangely enough, it does everything my film cameras ever have, and since I'm not somewhere north of 60K shutter actuations, I feel it is a purchase that was well worth it for me.

But hey, you go on thinking that dSLR cameras are fragile. Silly old Pooh.
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I know you can put 'real' lenses on a dslr, & I also like the build quality of most dslr's. But if you look at the lenses that come with most dslr's there made of cheap plastic. I just gave away a Minolta 50/1.7 lens off my old 7000 to a friend in my flickr group to use on his Sony ox dslr. I will say that's a nice camera. I'm not against dslr's & the people who use them, I just like sticking with traditional photography.
 
cmedin said:
Sitemistic may have been opinionated, but not ignorant. Bmattock already jumped on this but I have to comment too: just like any 35mm 'kit' comes with cheap garbage for lenses so does any DSLR kit. There's nothing stopping you from picking up the body alone and sticking any kind of superb glass on there. I shoot a 28/3.5 Super Takumar on mine.

As for breaking, I suspect my DSLR with its magnesium alloy body will take a tumble quite a bit better than your RF cameras -- how well do you think that fancy rangefinder mechanism will survive a good bump?

As for this thread: now I wonder if all the times in the past that I got annoyed at Nick's posts he was just yanking our chain...
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I liked sitemistic. BTW can't any of you people have any fun. I think thats what Nick is doing. With maybe a little seriousness to it. Oh!! I'll put the build quality of my Fed2 up against your dslr in dropping it any day of the week.
 
Best thread I've seen on here for ages!

And, I don't think it's safe to assume anyone here is serious! (Well, maybe one ot two poor souls. :) )
 
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Al Patterson said:
Where I work 1 + 1 = 10.

But then again, I'm in IT...
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I'd be curious to know what you are referring to, surely not binary since binary 11 would equal 3 in decimal...
 
Hehe, amusing. But, everyone misses the point. The GAS. I'm into cameras just because of that drug thing. It makes my world go round. I used to collect synthesizers, cars, drewl over an intake that would make everything so much better. But then you need to sell the old intake, and you might even earn a couple of dollars on it. And then you read and learn, new stuff all the time. It's like telling the FSU people that the ultimate car is the VAZ, it must be, it takes you from point a to point b in a very humble and economic way...very logic and rational. But that is BOOOOOring!
Once upon a time I thought everything would be set if I only had a Leica M2, you cannot possibly want any other camera...eventually I bought one. Guess what, I suddenly realized that I needed a M6 instead... And hey, have fun, this is fun, cameras are fun!!
My keepers btw: Nikon F2 AS...and my first camera, the Diana deluxe, my Holga, my Rolleicord V, my Contax III, Kiev4a, Yashica Samurai, Leica std from 1936...er maybe that little Bellami too.

:)
 
d_ross said:
But there is something missing here :) you talk about cameras for photographers, not collectors or leica lovers too scared to use the camera in case they hurt it, so where are the pictures from this perfect kit :)
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Actually, he's talking about cameras for amateur photographers. Don't get me wrong, amateurs can do great work and the Vivitar SLR can take perfectly good pictures, limited only by the imagination (despite a lousy viewfinder and shoddy build). But when your living depends on it, you need reliability and flexibility. He's been very lucky with that Vivitar SLR. When my students buy them they quite often break before the end of one semester.
 
chikne said:
I'd be curious to know what you are referring to, surely not binary since binary 11 would equal 3 in decimal...
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Binary 11 is 3 decimal. But 1 + 1 in binary IS 10. Always has been. Now, you can see "Ten" where I see "One Zero".

There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
 
I thought he was talking about cameras for people who cared more about pictures than cameras, amature or whatever, and I'm still intrigued to see what type of pictures Nick takes. personally I think that if a rock with a hole in it taped to a baked bean tin does it for you then great, just show me a picture from it :)
 
d_ross said:
I thought he was talking about cameras for people who cared more about pictures than cameras, amature or whatever, and I'm still intrigued to see what type of pictures Nick takes. personally I think that if a rock with a hole in it taped to a baked bean tin does it for you then great, just show me a picture from it :)
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I completely agree. While I laughed through most of this, I really think he needs to back up his talk, or quit blowing smoke up my...;)
 
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