anyone else annoyed with the classifieds around here?

Yes. Pitxu is correct. There is no PM anymore in classifieds. The only means of contacting the seller is via the comments on the page itself or email. As mentioned by cameraquest, this might be unintentional behaviour. These forum systems have a mind of their own!
 
Please go back to the members who claimed to PM you and double check. At the moment the classifieds are defaulting to emails, not PM. So if they tried to contact you from the classifieds, it is more likely their email did not get to you.

At the moment I am not sure what the problem is, we are checking into it. But it does seem to be linked to the software upgrade a few weeks ago. The elimination of the PM option in the classifieds was not intentional.

Stephen


Hello Stephen,
They tried to contact me from the classifieds and I never received their emails. It is a little awkward since I had the Canon 50/1.8 for sale, and I then was convinced to withdraw my ad. In the mean time, one person told me that he actually sent me a pm in which he commited to buy the lens.

I appologized.
 
The only problem with the classifieds here is the v-e-r-y large temptation induced!

That too is my biggest gripe about the Classifieds here. And it's REALLY starting to piss me off!
 
I've already been sanctioned for "arguing" on this board and thought I'd better just count my losses.

Understood; and thanks for your response. I'm gradually learning tolerance and acceptance around here; if for no other reason, my time here has been well-spent.

Here's to more understanding all around.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
Yes. Pitxu is correct. There is no PM anymore in classifieds. The only means of contacting the seller is via the comments on the page itself or email. As mentioned by cameraquest, this might be unintentional behaviour. These forum systems have a mind of their own!

You can also send a PM to the seller/poster through the forum, but by accessing their profile or from the drop down menu in their signature block in a post. It is the old fashioned way, but the general PM system seems to be working.
 
Hi Raid,

They tried to contact me from the classifieds and I never received their emails. It is a little awkward since I had the Canon 50/1.8 for sale, and I then was convinced to withdraw my ad. In the mean time, one person told me that he actually sent me a pm in which he commited to buy the lens.
When I contacted you about the 85, iirc I did it using the "Contact Seller" link next to the title at the top - I'd assumed that went via PM.
 
RFF is definitely not as efficient a marketplace as ebay. Main reason being the much smaller community visiting it regularly.
As others, I have made some annoying experiences with a small minority of RFF members, who firmly committed themselves to buy an item to then pull out literally last second with some lame excuses 😡. The one member I'm particularly thinking about takes his mouth pretty full with a post under this thread.
Also, items which I recently had listed for sale would not move in this marketplace but were sold quickly on ebay.
On the positive side, there are definitely many RFF members I'd absolutely trust and not hesitate buying equipment from. To identify the not so trustworhty ones, a better "feedback" functionality in the classifieds section would be highly appreciated!
 
I've sold around fifteen items with the classifieds and had no troubles at all ... every one has been a pleasure to deal with. Bought a few things also and that was perfect as well.

I avoid eBay if I think I can sell an item here, even if I suspect I may get a little less it! 🙂
 
this is exactly what makes it frustrating to sell to our 'community.' you committed to buy something, then something better came along and you screwed the guy with the first item. what if he had canceled the ad and had to pay to relist it? it's like there was no real thought put into it before you committed to buy the first item.

Amen. A PM or email with a commitment to buy should be considered a contract - at least one of honor...

There isn't an effective feedback system on RFF which allows tracking these "commit to buy" offers. Thus, people contact the seller to reserve their right-of-first-refusal which really stinks.

I can envision a modification to the classifieds that incorporates a "Purchase Item" button and an integrated feedback system. That way a commitment from a buyer would at least stigmatize them into making good on their offer.

My 0.03...
 
I have sold a few items here lately, and have been quite pleased with the transactions. I have also experienced some PM problems, though.

The 50 1.5 is great, Dexdog. And it was a pleasure meeting you.

Re others saying they are not getting RFF e-mails, I've had some e-mails sent to me via RFF end up in my spam box. So worth adjusting your e-mail inbox to prevent this.
 
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I wanted to return to this thread and make a few comments.

First of all, I'm sure everyone's noticed that Stephen has fixed the PM/Classifieds issue, which should make communication a little more clear. Bravo.

Secondly, I thought I'd share some recent experiences with the buying/selling process here at RFF, now that a few sales of my own have concluded (thanks, by the way, to all the interested parties).

I've been a fair supporter of the RFF community and the classifieds as a whole, and I still am. Some of the personal treatment I've seen - and received - around here has been second to none, really. But that isn't to say that there is still some odd behavior to be seen, as many here have anecdotally commented on. As for my experiences, the statistics speak for themselves. In the course of recently selling five items, I encountered two deals that didn't finish correctly. While the details are unimportant, it's significant to note that this represents a 40% failure rate in the course of finishing transactions, which I think is rather high. I should point out that this atypical example doesn't sour the RFF classifieds (or those individual users) for me, but the irony of my recent boosterism was clear, at least given my particular experience. I believe, though, that the power of coincidence was in this case greater than the likelihood of conspiracy. Besides, the great balance of my recent sales concluded with great professionalism and respect. Where else can you get that kind of instant gratification? And I'm not just talking about money - someday, my buyers will probably post images they made with my gear - talk about a turn of events.

Thinking about this, I realized that the issue wasn't one of "why is this happening here," (since that's merely tantamount to p*ssing into the wind) but rather the following:

1) what do we (the RFF community) do about it?

and

2) how do I respond to it personally?

In the former case, it may be an issue of how seriously we take the "feedback" system that has been provided, and whether the RFF community will become as back-biting as the eBay community has over this system. I've heard of several individual examples here that suggest the risk of that is real - perhaps it's a consequence of human nature. In short, a real public community feedback system may not be a realizable goal - at least, not a useful one with strong integrity. I'll apologize in advance if this offends anyone's efforts to the contrary - it's just my opinion.

The latter case, however, is a much more practical, actionable challenge. Responding personally to a delinquent or unprofessional buyer is an action each of us can take - on our own - without any feedback system or public airing of dirty laundry. In fact, it's rather a kind of responsibility in a self-policing community like this one. All of us can take it or leave it, of course; there's no need to be fascist about it. But if we do decide to self-police, it's important to realize the importance of being civil - as was pointed out to me in this very thread, it's of utmost importance to end any argument as proper adults should. To borrow from an aging sentiment using even more archaic parlance: it's the gentlemanly thing to do. Let's face it: having someone back out of a sale doesn't make the entire selling process meaningless or without value; I mean, many of us wouldn't have any of the nice toys we love without it. So, as long as it's going to happen (and it happens a lot less here than other places, I think) we should take responsibility to stand for our values - both those that represent our own personal maturity and pride in professionalism and those that reflect what we think about the community as a whole.

Okay, that's my piece. Sorry for the long read (thanks for sticking it out if you did), and remember: it's just an opinion.

And it's late, so I'm probably a little punchy.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
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maybe there is something wrong with the email system here...

Many times the PM does not arrive. What I'll do is PM, post "I'll take it" (not "PM Sent" unless it is for further clarification), and send email.

Not many posters are clear in their description or even plain wrong, and "PM Sent" is used to clarify and at the same time, show interest in case more information is needed.

Anyway, I try to deal with folks who have good reputations. Just had one perfect transaction just last week.
 
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I have had no problems buying or selling equipment through RFF. Those members with whom I have dealt with have been prompt in replies, sending funds, and in sending gear to assuage the symptoms my chronic GAS problem. Whereas a feedback system might be a deterrent to abhorrent behaviour on the part of a few, why turn the forum into an eBay clone for the sake of a few?
 
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