Elite Chrome 100

I've used a lot of EBX and although it renders complexions a bit 'high' (like a slab of liver, especially if underexposed) I find it very good for most other subjects.
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Hehe, yes, "slab of liver" is a good description. Now I know what to expect, I think I could happily use it for some subjects - and I'm definitely going to give my next lot a bit more exposure.
 
joachim said:
Key difference is the E films are marketed at their optimum ripeness, while amateur emulsions are sold before that point. Hence professional emulsions need fridge storage to slow further ripening, while amateur emulsions can be stored outside the fridge at about room temperature. The warmer temperature allows them to ripen further.
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No, they're not.

"Ripeness" has nothing to do with the pro/amateur divides. It's a persistent Internet meme, and one day there will be a persistent enough counter-meme.

The reason why pro films are kept cool is simply to keep them from shifting colour. Mucho important when you need consistency. Amateur films are not kept cool because people don't care about a 5CC magenta shift.
 
oscroft said:
Here's some scans from my recent Elite Chrome Extra Color shots. ...
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You should have written it was Extra Color (product code EBX). Now your comments make a lot more sense. I thought you discussed Elite 100 (product code EB).

EBX is extremely contrasty and I also find it tricky to handle when there are deep shadows. EB is a lot lower contrast and finer grain. To me, this one is a lot easier.
 
You should have written it was Extra Color (product code EBX). Now your comments make a lot more sense. I thought you discussed Elite 100 (product code EB)
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Yeah, sorry, I hadn't actually realised it was EBX when I first posted - I just thought it was "Elite Chrome" and didn't know there were two kinds.
 
varjag said:
Maybe it is so persistent because it was started by this Kodak technical publication.
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Let's read it together...

"Kodak builds a small manufacturing bias into films for general picture-taking to compensate for changes produced by typical storage conditions and delays between purchase and processing."

This does not imply that amateur films are meant to be aged. It means that amateur films are designed with wider tolerances, bearing in mind that they are likely to sit on shelves and be mishandled. It's like putting citric acid in a can of grape juice: it's a preserver against aging, but it does not require you to age the juice before drinking it.

Cf. http://www.apug.org/forums/forum40/...ween-kodachrome-pkr-kr-film-2.html#post416259 for a few more details.

Professional films, as Kodak says "are close to optimum color balance when they are manufactured and packaged." That means that there is a stringent QC process on color film, and that all other things being equal, they will give very consistent results when properly handled. That's probably the most misunderstood statement. When reading it, people immediately make the (wrong) deduction that amateur films are not close to optimum color balance when packaged.

It's like the difference between a fancy Japanese knife made with rare carbon steel blade that needs constant attention to give outstanding results, and an ordinary knife that will cut an onion regardless of whether you used it for gyproc before. The Japanese knife will help you carve a chrysantemum out of a radish; the ordinary knife is cheap and just works.

Finally, "ripening" is the name of a process during silver gelatin emulsion making (google it). When the emulsion is coated, you can be sure the emulsion is ripened enough and meant to be stable. How would you ever control "ripening on the shelf" ?

Please kindly show me the passage where Kodak says we need to age amateur films before using it.

EDIT: Yeah, I don't know how to read either.
 
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This does not imply that amateur films are meant to be aged.
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It does actually say, of amateur films, "Storing them at room temperature allows the film to mature to its aim color balance and speed"
 
Elite chrome was the first slide film I used after coming back to film last year. I used it in my K-1000 and had no problems with it at all.
 
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