> By the way the fires in the 128s were pretty much a myth.
Saw one burn.
The Mac II featured Nubus slots, went back to the Motorola 68K days.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_ii/stats/mac_ii.html
I can even remember the Apple Lisa. A guy at work bought one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa
and the Newton... and the NEXT box... They were notoriously vulnerable to network attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT
Saw one burn.
The Mac II featured Nubus slots, went back to the Motorola 68K days.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_ii/stats/mac_ii.html
I can even remember the Apple Lisa. A guy at work bought one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa
and the Newton... and the NEXT box... They were notoriously vulnerable to network attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXT
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Roger Hicks
Veteran
Hmmm.... The economy... That would be why the euro is now running around $1.60 instead of the 89 cents or so that it cost when Clinton left office.In the end, it is a society choice. Do you prefer masses to be highly educated and spend years brainstorming and screwing around about how to solve economic mediocrity (france)...
Cheers,
R.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
With a certain amount of trepidation, I chime in here.... This is a GREAT thread, .....
I'm not seeing anything worthwhile except some venting and an undergrad having authority issues.. Yikes!
yanidel
Well-known
Hmmm.... The economy... That would be why the euro is now running around $1.60 instead of the 89 cents or so that it cost when Clinton left office.
Cheers,
R.
The Euro depends much more on the German economy than the French's ... and Sarkozy is consistently asking for the European central bank to act and devaluate the Euro as economic growth is slowing down.
Result : a 28mm Ultron costs $444 in the US and $656 in France ... and we still have not given a solution to our poor student with the mean teacher (except for the homophobe that suggests that she is basically a lesbian
yanidel
Well-known
The Euro depends much more on the German economy than the French's ... and Sarkozy is consistently asking for the European central bank to act and devaluate the Euro as economic growth is slowing down.
Result : a 28mm Ultron costs $444 in the US and $656 in France ... and we still have not given a solution to our poor student with the mean teacher (except for the homophobe that suggests that she is basically a lesbian) What a thread !!
I forgot to mention that the Dow Jones will probably go down substantially today as a rumor spread from the RFF forum that housing prices are down in Wilson, NC.
JFH
Established
Sorry to chime in again, but..... The value I found here was the ways in which folks (before the thread got a bit off track imho) described working through their life experiences and how they were able to juggle some of them into a satisfactory whole.
To "advise" our student.... the experience he's having now is really no different than many other he'll probably have in school, work, or life in general. Maybe he's in his '20's or thereabouts. One of the hardest things to do at that age and stage is to "fast forward" about 40 years (to the stage I'm at now) and try to think..."What will I have found most valuable about my life's experience?" To a large extent this will determine how he should handle his present situation. To some, perhaps being a (possibly) poverty stricken idealist / autodidact will be a source of great pride. To others, having a "successful" (in a financial sense) life and family experience will seem the best outcome. Only he can make that decision. At some point he will have to make the decision / commitment. In either case (and may he have both long life and good health) the decision will help determine how he lives and "makes a living."
Many years ago, a former employer told me... "Today you're worrying about what you have to 'do' to make a living. At some point, the decision will revolve around what you have to 'give up' in order to make your life the way you want it to be." Sacrifices and tradeoffs are the constants....
To "advise" our student.... the experience he's having now is really no different than many other he'll probably have in school, work, or life in general. Maybe he's in his '20's or thereabouts. One of the hardest things to do at that age and stage is to "fast forward" about 40 years (to the stage I'm at now) and try to think..."What will I have found most valuable about my life's experience?" To a large extent this will determine how he should handle his present situation. To some, perhaps being a (possibly) poverty stricken idealist / autodidact will be a source of great pride. To others, having a "successful" (in a financial sense) life and family experience will seem the best outcome. Only he can make that decision. At some point he will have to make the decision / commitment. In either case (and may he have both long life and good health) the decision will help determine how he lives and "makes a living."
Many years ago, a former employer told me... "Today you're worrying about what you have to 'do' to make a living. At some point, the decision will revolve around what you have to 'give up' in order to make your life the way you want it to be." Sacrifices and tradeoffs are the constants....
infrequent
Well-known
@johnmcd - err...i meant the same republican as you did.
Dektol Dan
Well-known
Ah.
Guess I'm glad i didn't go to art school. I would have never become a sucessful artist.![]()
Damned if you do, damned if you don't, eh?
I think the kernel of wisdom in all of this is to go to a school with well known practitioners for instructors (remember photography is only a craft and NOT an art), go to an institution that teaches the tradition of photography so that you will learn the language, and last go to a school that provides equipment that you otherwise cannot afford on your own.
One can educate himself to a degree if he meets the criteria mentioned. Otherwise finding self satisfaction in making purdy pictures is just playing in one's own feces.
The difference between a hobbyist and a real craftsman is commitment.
rogue_designer
Reciprocity Failure
Astounding that this homophobic, stereotype-reinforcing comment has gone unanswered. Perhaps the majority-male readership of this forum thinks its perfectly ok.
As for the generalizations about higher education both in the USA and Europe, they are just that: generalizations. Not even accurate ones, if a generalization can be accurate at all.
I was ignoring it.
I do not think it was ok, but I also didn't think it was worth mention (even bad press, being good press, etc.). Just moves the topic further off track.
I do think that Boy-Scout has got some good advice tucked in and around here.
I also think that learning to deal with this situation may prove to be more valuable than the class otherwise offers. Thank your teacher for a life lesson - it nothing else.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
I also think that learning to deal with this situation may prove to be more valuable than the class otherwise offers. Thank your teacher for a life lesson - it nothing else.![]()
Briiliant! Yes!
Cheers,
R.
cmogi10
Bodhisattva
I think your teacher just needs some good old fashioned loving.
Get on that!
Get on that!
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Dear Fred,
I had not previously understood that a collapsing currency was a sign of economic strength.
Cheers,
R.
Lowering the currency to allow for more exports has obviosly not worked as well as intended. Be careful what you wish for,, you just might get it...
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FallisPhoto
Veteran
Sure. The question you have to ask yourself is this: do you want the grade, or do you want to be right?
This can be very important in some fields. However, in pretty much all of fine art, nobody who is buying your art gives much of a damn how you did in college. They just want to see your portfolio. I never really cared what grade I got. I was there to learn a few techniques to add to my arsenal, and for relatively cheap access to a better darkroom, not to get a grade. Any teacher who got in the way of that was in for a very serious fight. I've had them so mad they were literally shaking all over (due to differences in opinion). Somehow, in spite of this, I got straight As anyway.
oscroft
Veteran
I used several of the II series (I still have fond memories of the IIfx with its 6 NuBus slots), and they were all capable of running System 7. The specs of the II series, including supported OS versions, can be found here.I have been trying to place the Mac II in my mind but can't remember it. I looked it up, and it still does not ring a bell. It must still have been running OS 6?
Nh3
Well-known
When we grew up and went to school
There were certain teachers who would
Hurt the children in any way they could
By pouring their derision
Upon anything we did
And exposing every weakness
However carefully hidden by the kids
But in the town, it was well known
When they got home at night, their fat and
Psychopathic wives would thrash them
Within inches of their lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw
There were certain teachers who would
Hurt the children in any way they could
By pouring their derision
Upon anything we did
And exposing every weakness
However carefully hidden by the kids
But in the town, it was well known
When they got home at night, their fat and
Psychopathic wives would thrash them
Within inches of their lives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw
oscroft
Veteran
Ah, the VAX 11/780 - I did my first assembly language programming on one of those. Sigh, I feel old.DEC VAX 11/780
> I don't like computers that think they are smarter than I am. Apple's smug superiority
> complex has never left it - and it seems to infect its users, too.
My wife would walk into a computer store, go up to the Mac II s on display, go "click-click-click" and then tell me we had to leave because they now had to unplug all of their computers. She walked up to a Scientist that was talking how great Macs were and told him "Not only don't I like MACs, I don't like the people who use them either."
Vax 11/780- I did lot's of assembly language and FORTRAN on them. Had an FPS120b array processor and Gould IP8500 image processor on it. Lots of image processing. I wrote a program that took 30 days of CPU time to finish.
Back to the kid with the Art Teacher with an attitude.
BS, MS, PhD. Bullsht, Moresht, Phony Doctor. A place wants you to have a degree so they can see what you'll put up with.
> complex has never left it - and it seems to infect its users, too.
My wife would walk into a computer store, go up to the Mac II s on display, go "click-click-click" and then tell me we had to leave because they now had to unplug all of their computers. She walked up to a Scientist that was talking how great Macs were and told him "Not only don't I like MACs, I don't like the people who use them either."
Vax 11/780- I did lot's of assembly language and FORTRAN on them. Had an FPS120b array processor and Gould IP8500 image processor on it. Lots of image processing. I wrote a program that took 30 days of CPU time to finish.
Back to the kid with the Art Teacher with an attitude.
BS, MS, PhD. Bullsht, Moresht, Phony Doctor. A place wants you to have a degree so they can see what you'll put up with.
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Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
>
<snip>
Back to the kid with the Art Teacher with an attitude.
BS, MS, PhD. Bullsht, Moresht, Phony Doctor. A place wants you to have a degree so they can see what you'll put up with.
My father always said PhD meant "Piled Higher and Deeper"...
shimo-kitasnap
everything is temporary..
Lols! I should tell my gf that, she wants to pursue a Math PhD, me, I just want my BA then I'm down and out.
yeah I like geeky girls......
yeah I like geeky girls......
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Mine too.My goal is to stay employed.
It's just that I've never found it necessary to be a lickspittle to do it.
Yes, I've failed to get some jobs in the first place by pointing out that the interviewer is wasting my time, and that this is a much more serious crime than wasting their time.
I've never lost a job yet by doing it my way; explaining to my employer why I am doing it my way; and suggesting that if they don't like my way, they can fire me.
Along the way, it's true, I've alienated a few editors, but curiously enough they've all been American. And there are plenty more editors in the world. Some of whom can even read and write.
Cheers,
R.
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