petebown
Established
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1028665
Yet another example of a street photographer being forced to give up his hobby by the UK police.
Most worrying is the comment by a cop... He stated that digital photography is great as they can check what's on your camera straight away. Looks like us film photographers will be spending a few hours in cell whilst they break your camera, trying to get the film out.
I don't suppose it will make any difference, but there is a 10 downing Street petition running at the moment:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/photographylaw/
Yet another example of a street photographer being forced to give up his hobby by the UK police.
Most worrying is the comment by a cop... He stated that digital photography is great as they can check what's on your camera straight away. Looks like us film photographers will be spending a few hours in cell whilst they break your camera, trying to get the film out.
I don't suppose it will make any difference, but there is a 10 downing Street petition running at the moment:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/photographylaw/
chikne
Well-known
The police has now become a guerrilla. Shame on them!
Highway 61
Revisited
And the other sad thing is what the Daily Mail displays on their page right frame.
Newspapers press at its lowest.
Newspapers press at its lowest.
migtex
Don't eXchange Freedom!
so, who is the Terror now? We? Them?
Whatever whom made the plan won.
We just throw away what we have as the most important achievement (besides getting food daily), the power of live Free.
We turn ourselfs into prisoners of our own fears... we fear everything... the neighbour, the cop, the cameras, the ozone layer hole, the food, the water and the lack of it, the Sex and the lack of it, the film and the lack of it, the nudity and being too much....
we just Fear.....
scary, really scary
Treat me like a terrorist and I will do my best to not disappoint you!
Whatever whom made the plan won.
We just throw away what we have as the most important achievement (besides getting food daily), the power of live Free.
We turn ourselfs into prisoners of our own fears... we fear everything... the neighbour, the cop, the cameras, the ozone layer hole, the food, the water and the lack of it, the Sex and the lack of it, the film and the lack of it, the nudity and being too much....
we just Fear.....
scary, really scary
Treat me like a terrorist and I will do my best to not disappoint you!
sweathog
Well-known
Do you know what? I feel sorry for the guy. I really do. 40 years, and he's had to pack it in. If I could find his details I'd send him an email of support and condolences. I'm absolutely sick of all of this.
There was some talk on a flickr group recently about a flashmob of photographers up in London, not doing anything illegal, just congregating. I feel the need for action. Because things are rapidly coming to a head.
There was some talk on a flickr group recently about a flashmob of photographers up in London, not doing anything illegal, just congregating. I feel the need for action. Because things are rapidly coming to a head.
sjw617
Panoramist
The police must act upon a complaint. They did not initiate the action, the people who made the 'complaints' did. I think some details are missing, like what exactly the complaint was.
And the overblown statement by the OP is laughable - he is not FORCED to give up photographing buses (especially by the police). He is choosing to.
Pitxu, Why are you disgusted? This is not a police matter but a private citizen matter.
Steve
sjw617
Panoramist
Richard,
Do you really think that those ads have that much of an impact on people? I don't. People have become immune to ads.
I only saw terrorist warnings in the ads, nothing about paedophilia. That was mentioned in the article though. And the camera ad was only 1 of the 3 ads made.
Steve
Do you really think that those ads have that much of an impact on people? I don't. People have become immune to ads.
I only saw terrorist warnings in the ads, nothing about paedophilia. That was mentioned in the article though. And the camera ad was only 1 of the 3 ads made.
Steve
gertf
Established
Several sports clubs have banned photography at events with children here in Australia. One parent was complaining about being made to feel like a paedophile for taking pictures at his 9 year old daughters netball match.
There was also a complaint to the Australian Communications and Media Authority from concerned parents about an ad for nappies that features a babys bare bottom. The concern was that paedophiles were getting their rocks off from watching it.
There was also a complaint to the Australian Communications and Media Authority from concerned parents about an ad for nappies that features a babys bare bottom. The concern was that paedophiles were getting their rocks off from watching it.
chambrenoire
Well-known
Have you guys seen the movie 'V For Vendetta' or read the book 1984? 
Check out this speech by Aldous Huxley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1k5rK7bWI&feature=PlayList&p=F242DEC466FBD9CD&index=0&playnext=1
Check out this speech by Aldous Huxley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1k5rK7bWI&feature=PlayList&p=F242DEC466FBD9CD&index=0&playnext=1
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Highway 61
Revisited
It's not about the UK or the US, it's a global problem of at least the occidental countries (don't know about it in Asia or Africa, but I for one would be quite careful with using my camera in public in some North-African countries...). Not better (if not worse) in the country you live in, Richard.
I see several reasons.
- what Migtex wrote (makes much sense)
- people got (mainly unwillingly and without active consciousness of it) overfed with very low quality images available everywhere (TV, Internet, cell phones, video games and the like) so that they figure out that anybody with a camera is shooting nothing but such similar crap
- the big three religions are back in the social play
- the police and the justice have failed to keep actually dangerous people in jail and have failed to identify and arrest actual terrorists despite the NSA and other Big Brothers which are watching us
- photography has changed a lot and is keeping changing. Time of HCB is really over, photography is now (at least for the common fellas) digital and immediate, so what's up with art in photography, according to 95% of people photography is not art, it's just something as suspect as anything else
- most people think that people taking photos work for the police or some tabloïds, and most of the police think that people taking photos are people who don't like the police
-usw.
Also :
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=841180&postcount=30
This is happening to me more and more often, and such "discussions" between me (as someone just taking pictures as a personal hobby) and people not wanting other people to take pictures are getting more and more "borderline" - and, no, sorry Fred, I don't think I'm talking to these people (or would I do to the police, if they were called) like a "terrorist" would.
mr_phillip
Well-known
The UK is developing a very curious attitude to photographers. On the one hand there seems to be a concerted attempt to stigmatise photographers, often resulting in harassment from the authorities. And on the other the first thing the police do when anything happens is appeal for citizens to hand over any images or footage they took of the incident.
What puzzles me most is, where does the notion that terrorists are all keen photographers come from? There's absolutely no evidence that any of the 9/11 or 7/7 terrorists took any images prior to the attacks. Indeed, there appears to be very concrete evidence that they didn't.
The most worrying line in the DM article for me was "...the individual is more than happy to disperse any suspicion by showing an officer their photos and one of the benefits of digital cameras is that this can be done on the spot." It is absolutely against the law in the UK for any police officer to demand to see anyone's images without a court order.
What puzzles me most is, where does the notion that terrorists are all keen photographers come from? There's absolutely no evidence that any of the 9/11 or 7/7 terrorists took any images prior to the attacks. Indeed, there appears to be very concrete evidence that they didn't.
The most worrying line in the DM article for me was "...the individual is more than happy to disperse any suspicion by showing an officer their photos and one of the benefits of digital cameras is that this can be done on the spot." It is absolutely against the law in the UK for any police officer to demand to see anyone's images without a court order.
MickH
Well-known
This story was featured on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme's Newspaper round-up this morning, but only in a jokey "and finally" manner, the slot usually reserved for stories of dogs that can count, or the world's fattest pot-holer kind of thing. I'm sure they just wanted an opportunity to sneer at someone who calls himself an "omnibologist".
Let's face it, the only reason that the MP Austin Mitchell got any media coverage for his private member's bill is because he is a "bit of a card" and can be relied upon for a lively quote.
Until a serious news agency picks up on, and campaigns for freedom to photograph in the street we will get nowhere.
Let's face it, the only reason that the MP Austin Mitchell got any media coverage for his private member's bill is because he is a "bit of a card" and can be relied upon for a lively quote.
Until a serious news agency picks up on, and campaigns for freedom to photograph in the street we will get nowhere.
MickH
Well-known
Careful Richard...
It is true that much of Europe still bears the scars of the two "World" Wars. It is also true that much of the Middle East still has the open wounds.
I would be interested to know how our colleagues in that part of the world (and recent travellers thereto) fare with the security services when taking photographs in public spaces.
Lazar.. Ruben.. Raid and others, what say you? Is this thread (and the others in the same vein) just middle class westerners airing our paranoia? What are your experiences, I would be very interested to know.
...this sort of comment is likely to be taken out of context and you may well come in for a virtual ear-bashing.
It is true that much of Europe still bears the scars of the two "World" Wars. It is also true that much of the Middle East still has the open wounds.
I would be interested to know how our colleagues in that part of the world (and recent travellers thereto) fare with the security services when taking photographs in public spaces.
Lazar.. Ruben.. Raid and others, what say you? Is this thread (and the others in the same vein) just middle class westerners airing our paranoia? What are your experiences, I would be very interested to know.
Avotius
Some guy
hah.....the people who caused 911 sure have achieved many of their goals have they not? People are paranoid of each other, ways of life are changed, and now our own public servants turn against us. In the day revolution would be the word, but today its just called terrorism.