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News photographer detained at oil spill

TEXAS CITY — Police on Monday detained a Daily News photographer who refused to show officers his photographs of refinery workers attempting to mitigate a 500-gallon crude oil spill.

The 45-minute detention and police inquiries about whether the photographs contained images harmful to national security raised freedom of the press questions protected by the First Amendment.

http://www.galvnews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=8ee1f4b4b1b85d8f
 
good grief. This whole paranoia s@&t needs to end already. If in the process of photographing an oil spill they're afraid that sensitive information may have been recorded, perhaps they should come up with better ways of securing that sensitive information.
If it's visible from public property, then i'm sure it's already been scoped out by someone somewhere for something, taking a picture of it ain't gonna do squat.
 
I hope it goes to court and those cops will get it all the way! Enough IS enough. With all this "security" bull we will not be able to breath soon. Everything is a "security risk" now. We gave up too many rights as it is. There so many lawyers in this country - time for them to go to court and nail them. There is never a cop when you need one, but someone takes pictures - and we have a major security breach? C'mon. I'm so tired of all these people using 9/11 as an excuse. It's Time to fight back. After all - Does The First Amendment mean anything anymore in this country? Amazing, instead of fighting and finding real terrorists, they harass our own innocent people! Welcome to the United Police States of Homeland Security of Power Abuse !:bang:
 
Only you guys can fight for Founders rights.
We, outside can only help.
Otherwise we are considered terrorists as well, in fact this (and other sites) can be considered a National Security threat looking how the "things" are going...
 
leicasniper said:
9/11 is the trump card that government and law enforcement has used - effectively - to turn this country into a police state.(QUOTE]

a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? Yes, some cops in some jurisdictions will try to get away with stuff, but they knew that they had no grounds, and released the guy after 45 minutes. Maybe the photographer will sue them for unlawful arrest. In a police state, this guy would have been whisked out of sight, never to be seen again.

This is just bullying, pure and simple.
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Krosya said:
Well, it looks like thats where we are headed......Just give it time.
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Exactly. You know the old saying- If you give these jackasses an inch, they will take a mile.

What if it had not been news photographer, like leicasniper mentioned? Could they have bullied their way into telling the photographer to delete the photos?

Oh well, you know what is coming, don't you? An October Surprise. The surprise being a "super terror alert" due to increased "chatter". Just in time for the election.
 
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dexdog said:
Appropriate level of paranoia, coming from Dr. Strangelove.
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Now, that is funny. 😀😀😀

By the way, I see where you are located. Do you work for the government? Perhaps, Homeland Security? Just typing those two words makes me look over my shoulder......
 
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Well, I view this as perhaps a positive incident. It's been happening, in similar ways, for several years with non-professional, non-embedded, non-journalists, and the mainstream media has, by and large, ignored the issue; I suppose because many in the professional media agencies view themselves as specially connected to circles of power and hence exempt from government crackdowns on free speach. It has been folks like Bruce Schneier who have done the service of keeping us informed.

Now it's starting to happen to mainstream media, too. Perhaps this will start to wake them up.

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leicasniper said:
9/11 is the trump card that government and law enforcement has used - effectively - to turn this country into a police state.(QUOTE]

a bit of an exaggeration, don't you think? Yes, some cops in some jurisdictions will try to get away with stuff, but they knew that they had no grounds, and released the guy after 45 minutes. Maybe the photographer will sue them for unlawful arrest. In a police state, this guy would have been whisked out of sight, never to be seen again.

This is just bullying, pure and simple.
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Yes, this is pure and simple bullying. But what has emboldened the bulliers are administration policies, and new laws, that encourage these actions, and give legal protection to private contractors, for instance, involved in telecommunications surveillance of the general public. Actions like these don't happen in a vacuum; they're encourage by a particular style of leadership. Not to sound overly dramatic, but there are parallels with the policies of the new Chancellor of Germany in 1933; in that case the changes didn't happen overnight; it took until 1937 for the tanks to start rolling; prior to that, many observers in other countries, even the US, were positive about the new Chancellor's policies.

~Joe
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I've said this before on photo boards with no response, but I will say it again. Here in the States we have 100 Senators and 400-{mumble} in the House. Out of those 500-some, there certainly must be at least one avid amateur photographer (even if he/she uses {d-word}).

I would think that the photographic community would take the initiative to seek out legislators who are photo-friendly and have them introduce legislation to affirm the right to take photos.
 
Let's look at the stated goals of the terrorists that attacked the World Trade Towers. Mainly, they wanted to disrupt and change life in the US. Though there have been no further attacks on US soil, the consequences of the initial attack continue to unfold. Where do you want to look first? Civil rights? Yes, with the complicity of AT&T and other telecoms, American citizens have had their privacy illegaly violated. Freedom to assemble and redress government? The Bushies tell us they are fighting to preserve the way of life we have learned to expect, but as soon as anyone exercises their right to protest the actions of government, they are labeled as traitors. The economy? At the time of the attack the stock market was at about 10,500 points. Today, 7 years later it is just a few points above that. Our response was to ask the question, "how did our oil get under their sand?" So, we invaded Iraq, thus far costing more than 4,000 soldiers lives and maybe as many as 200.000 Iraqi deaths. Our moral leadership has been thrown away by the use of torture and sex crimes committed against foreign detainees. I could go on, but the point is, once the score is tallied, we have to ask ourselves how close the terrorists have come to achieving their goals, who has aided the most in their success? Saddest of all, there will be no accountability for these actions by a spineless Congress. As Americans,we can only hope that a War Crimes Tribunal is called by some other nation that still has a conscience.
 
John Rountree said:
Let's look at the stated goals of the terrorists that attacked the World Trade Towers. Mainly, they wanted to disrupt and change life in the US. Though there have been no further attacks on US soil, the consequences of the initial attack continue to unfold. Where do you want to look first? Civil rights? Yes, with the complicity of AT&T and other telecoms, American citizens have had their privacy illegaly violated. Freedom to assemble and redress government? The Bushies tell us they are fighting to preserve the way of life we have learned to expect, but as soon as anyone exercises their right to protest the actions of government, they are labeled as traitors. The economy? At the time of the attack the stock market was at about 10,500 points. Today, 7 years later it is just a few points above that. Our response was to ask the question, "how did our oil get under their sand?" So, we invaded Iraq, thus far costing more than 4,000 soldiers lives and maybe as many as 200.000 Iraqi deaths. Our moral leadership has been thrown away by the use of torture and sex crimes committed against foreign detainees. I could go on, but the point is, once the score is tallied, we have to ask ourselves how close the terrorists have come to achieving their goals, who has aided the most in their success? Saddest of all, there will be no accountability for these actions by a spineless Congress. As Americans,we can only hope that a War Crimes Tribunal is called by some other nation that still has a conscience.
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That is really our only hope left. No one in the US has the balls or cares enough to bring charges against the pet monkey and his pals for crimes against humanity.
 
Rogier said:
The US is becomming the very same thing it has leberated the world from 63 years ago...


N..... America....
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Past, Present, Future - This was shot a couple of years ago during an anti-war protest in Texas. The camera was a Bessa R2A with a 35mm lens. The film was Neopan 400 processed in Rodinal.

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