full frame scanning on coolscan 5000?

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Is it possible or does the scanner automatically crops a portion of the image?

I'm considering the 5000, but not being able to scan a full frame would be an issue...
 
I use vuescan with my LS5000 and you can set your boarders for maximum which takes in all of the frame and more. You can also move your boarders in preview mode to wherever you want. So the answer to your question is yes (at least with vuescan). I have not tried other scanning software.

David
 
As with my Minolta 5400, I would imagine that you have the option to crop manually or automatically. And, on the off-chance that Nikon's own software doesn't offer this option, VueScan certainly does.


- Barrett
 
amateriat said:
As with my Minolta 5400, I would imagine that you have the option to crop manually or automatically. And, on the off-chance that Nikon's own software doesn't offer this option, VueScan certainly does.


- Barrett
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That's right, and Nikon Scan has the same functionality as Vuescan in this respect.
 
Thanks folks,
Would you know if there is a possibility of having the full frame scanning as a basic setting when using batch scan and auto frame detection?
 
But what I haven't figured yet, is that even if I look at my scans of slide film (cut into strips), I can not easily standardize on one size of scan. Often the preset "Crop as 35mm Film" on VueScan is too small or too big... But, this is the case with different rolls shot on the same camera... I suspect the developer is the culprit, but don't know enough about developing to know.

JP
 
Yes, if you are using Vuescan as you can manually set the frame size, as noted by others, & batch scanning doesn't affect those settings (unless you choose to alter it for each frame).

sanmich said:
Thanks folks,
Would you know if there is a possibility of having the full frame scanning as a basic setting when using batch scan and auto frame detection?
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Those of you who can scan full frame... What film holder are you using?
The supplied SA-21 film strip feeder that came with mine has a gate that is narrower than the image, so no full frame scanning with that unless one could enlarge the gate opening.
I was thinking of getting the optional film strip holder (FH3) hoping it would allow full frame or at least be more easily modified to do so. Anyone familiar with that?

Cheers,
Gary
 
I use the FH3 and one of several disappointments is that it crops rather severely. I think modifying it would be tricky, although I haven't tried. I continue to use it because it keeps my negatives flat. I also thought the strip feeder might be scratching them, but in retrospect it was probably my Print File sleeves.
 
I thhink that, generally, the SA21/30 crop the long sides of the frame and the FH3 the short sides. The FH3 seems to crop slightly less than the SAs in my experience, but that may depend on the exact gate size of your body and how the negas are inserted into the holder.
Mike
 
Shenkerian,

Yes, inadequate flatness is another problem with the SA-21. Good to hear that the FH3 will at least help with that. I think I will get the FH3 and try to modify it somehow. It is only about $25, so why not?

Cheers,
Gary
 
I was so pissed with the lack of flatness I got from the SA... especially for the price... would have rather paid $150 less for the scanner and just gotten the FH3 with it... but it would be hard to modify to get full frame IMO... very flimsy fiddly design.

I made a simple aluminum carrier for Minox film... probably you could make something similar for 35mm. Anyone really sure that the scanner will scan a wide enough patch to give a real sloppy boarder?
 
By full-frame, do you mean including the sprocket holes or just the entirety of the image? I can't get the sprocket holes w/the standard SA-21 & the bulk roll feeder (don't know the model # off-hand), but it is wide enough to get the entire "width" (i.e., short side) of the image area (@ least w/Vuescan). Per sojournerphoto's post, perhaps you're using a "Barnack" body or shooting non-retrofocus wide-angles that have a larger film gate/image circle.

gns said:
Those of you who can scan full frame... What film holder are you using?
The supplied SA-21 film strip feeder that came with mine has a gate that is narrower than the image, so no full frame scanning with that unless one could enlarge the gate opening.
Cheers,
Gary
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Furcafe,

By full frame, I just mean the entire image (don't care about the sprocket holes).
If I place a neg down into the gate of the SA-21 I can clearly see that the image area is wider then the opening in the holder, so it gets cropped (on the long edges, not the short ones). All of my negs are from an M2 w/ 35mm lens...How much does image size vary by camera model or lens???

Seems to be very different answers/experiences here. Sure wish someone could explain this.

Cheers,
Gary
 
I'm not @ home, where my 5000 is, but I'm a little confused. This is 1 topic where photos would help.

(1) I can't recall being able to see the imaging area @ all, @ least w/the SA-21 mounted, as it's well inside the scanner. I suppose you could tell if the imaging area was cropping on the short side of the neg/slide if you got a good peek inside, since the film feeds into the scanner lengthwise, but I'm not sure how you can see how 5000 is cropping a neg/slide on the long side by just looking @ the hardware.

I currently use the SA-30 roll film setup, but on the intake it works just like the SA-21.

As I wrote before, from my experience using Vuescan, it's only the software settings that result in cropping along the long side of a neg/slide.

(2) In my experience, images are larger (on the neg/slide) on the old screw-mount models & when using wide angles (but especially the non-retrofocals like an original Biogon or Super Angulon where the rear element almost touches the film) on any body.

gns said:
Furcafe,

By full frame, I just mean the entire image (don't care about the sprocket holes).
If I place a neg down into the gate of the SA-21 I can clearly see that the image area is wider then the opening in the holder, so it gets cropped (on the long edges, not the short ones). All of my negs are from an M2 w/ 35mm lens...How much does image size vary by camera model or lens???

Seems to be very different answers/experiences here. Sure wish someone could explain this.

Cheers,
Gary
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Measured the width of my SA-21 gate. It is 23mm. Measured a neg right at 24mm, so the hardware is cropping about 4%. So, not possible to scan the entire image regardless of software.

Cheers,
Gary
 
The issue is the 2 black frame supports that form the gate. I've often wondered if there is an efficient way to trim these down to get another .5mm out of it but it's injection molded which isn't the easiest to work with. Really they shouldn't have had this issue in the first place.
 
OK, that's the short side of the neg/slide (unless you're shooting 1/2-frame). I don't have calipers, but my measurements (inserted film & marked the width of the gate) gives me something between 23 & 24mm for the width of the SA-21 gate (now that I'm @ home). Also, the space between the sprockets is 24mm, but most of my negs/slides are actually around 23mm. Then again, I shoot mostly 50mm.

gns said:
Measured the width of my SA-21 gate. It is 23mm. Measured a neg right at 24mm, so the hardware is cropping about 4%. So, not possible to scan the entire image regardless of software.

Cheers,
Gary
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