Carterofmars
Well-known
I was snapping away this morning doing some street, and all of a sudden my M8.2 just powered off!!! I think my heart powered off also a minute there!!!
I made several attempts to switch off and on without success. I removed battery and memory card and reinserted, then tried to switch on and again, no success. All I get is the small red light momentarily beneath then LCD, and the nothing.
I was snapping away a lot and was out for about an hour in 28 degrees. The camera felt ice cold to the touch but I don't think that can have any affect [sic].
The camera has suffered no impacts. I carry this thing like I used to carry my new born kids. It's always in a neoprene Zing waist pouch.
Please send help immediately someone!!!
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I made several attempts to switch off and on without success. I removed battery and memory card and reinserted, then tried to switch on and again, no success. All I get is the small red light momentarily beneath then LCD, and the nothing.
I was snapping away a lot and was out for about an hour in 28 degrees. The camera felt ice cold to the touch but I don't think that can have any affect [sic].
The camera has suffered no impacts. I carry this thing like I used to carry my new born kids. It's always in a neoprene Zing waist pouch.
Please send help immediately someone!!!
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"effect". Not "affect".
Charge the battery, let the thing sit for a couple of hours. It might start working again. Carrying it in a neoprene bag from warm to cold might have moistured up the works, not letting condensation escape.
This is what happens when you're too obsessive.
Charge the battery, let the thing sit for a couple of hours. It might start working again. Carrying it in a neoprene bag from warm to cold might have moistured up the works, not letting condensation escape.
This is what happens when you're too obsessive.
f16sunshine
Moderator
I had a similar incident (find the thread in M8 section). I sent the camera to Leica NJ and they replaced the main board. Quickly and with out fuss I should add or any expense to me. These cameras have parts that fail at times. Relax and just have it fixed.
swoop
Well-known
I'd say the battery died from continuous use and exposure to cold. Batteries don't last forever. And they die even faster in the cold. Just charge it up.
Carterofmars
Well-known
Just read this after googling "Leica NJ"
http://photo.net/leica-rangefinders-forum/00EWM6
I hope I can make references like this to other forums with out breaking any rules of RFF. If I did- sorry.
f16sunshine
Moderator
5year old thread there mate. Leica is a different company now. My experience with NJ was great others say the same. Just as sure you will find a few people who are unhappy. Your option if you truly do need repair is Sohlms.
kdemas
Enjoy Life.
I too think you might have a prematurely dead battery from the cold. Did you have a spare battery to try?
Carterofmars
Well-known
Just popped the batter back in from the charger and she's back on line. No longer cold.
This was very traumatic for me.
kidding a little, but heck I just plunked down 3200.00 for this girl and sorry that she wants to break my heart so soon.
So anyone agree with the condensation theory? I didn't notice any in the lens or viewfinder...
Was it the 28 degree cold? My hand was frozen to the camera... lol. I am obsessed with shooting.
Are neoprene Zing pouches bad?
This was very traumatic for me.
kidding a little, but heck I just plunked down 3200.00 for this girl and sorry that she wants to break my heart so soon.
So anyone agree with the condensation theory? I didn't notice any in the lens or viewfinder...
Was it the 28 degree cold? My hand was frozen to the camera... lol. I am obsessed with shooting.
Are neoprene Zing pouches bad?
Going from freezing to warm and vice versa is not good for any electronics.
I'd get a breathable bag in any case. The M8 is not sealed and has a bunch of old fashioned electronics boards in it. You don't have to see condensation for it to be there.
I'd get a breathable bag in any case. The M8 is not sealed and has a bunch of old fashioned electronics boards in it. You don't have to see condensation for it to be there.
ampguy
Veteran
Zings are good
Zings are good
The Zing bag I have seen covers and seals up the camera much more completely than the Leica Neoprene cover, but I'm not sure how or if these breathe, so you might want to take the camera out when you get inside and set inside so it can slowly warm to room temp. Don't put it on or too close to a heater.
These aren't weather sealed, so treat them gently in the sub freezing temps.
Zings are good
The Zing bag I have seen covers and seals up the camera much more completely than the Leica Neoprene cover, but I'm not sure how or if these breathe, so you might want to take the camera out when you get inside and set inside so it can slowly warm to room temp. Don't put it on or too close to a heater.
These aren't weather sealed, so treat them gently in the sub freezing temps.
Carterofmars
Well-known
Should one not shoot in the extreme warm/cold?
filmfan
Well-known
"My M8 is not working"
Typical M8 conversation...
Typical M8 conversation...
Carterofmars
Well-known
Some samples from this mornings shoot.
I hope this camera is ok... I love it so.
I hope this camera is ok... I love it so.
robklurfield
eclipse
those batteries don't like the extreme cold. they discharge in, what seems to be, in my own very unscientific observation, to be about 1/5th the time in cold temps that they do in room temp. then, again, what battery doesn't behave this way? best reason for keeping some spares fully charged and handy. my leica battery doesn't seem to like the cold any more than my third-party (Chinese?) cheapie. My fingers and toes also don't like extreme cold, so why should expect my battery to like 'em?
Carterofmars
Well-known
A few more...
dubes
Member
I'm calling false on this. Cold air has lower moisture content than warm air, so it's impossible to get condensation on the camera from going outside in the winter. (This is why you never see condensation on a cup of hot coffee or tea.)
The notion that bringing a camera indoors from the cold is equivalent to dunking it in the kitchen sink as another poster wrote is an extreme exaggeration. The relative humidity in a heated home in the winter is very, very low. Again, we're starting with the cold outdoor air which has low moisture content to begin with, then warming it to a more comfortable indoor temperature. I who suffer from problems with dry skin can tell you first hand about the trials of dry indoor air this time of year and the need for humidifiers to make life more bearable.
Going from cold to warm can lead to condensation, but I have never heard of this killing a camera (even a Leica). The issue here is that condensation can temporarily fog lenses and film / sensors until it evaporates. Which it will. The usual advice is to put your camera in a plastic bag when coming indoors and leaving it there until the body warms up to room temperature.
As for the problems the OP is having, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of it being a battery issue. See if you can take it to a dealer who'll let you test with another battery before sending off for repairs.
Good luck!
pagpow
Well-known
Sure about that? when I was growing up about a century and 20 camera generations ago, the advice was to put the camera in something when taking it from cold to warm so that the condensation would happen on the container, not the camera. And not bring it out of that container until the camera temp had risen to the ambient temp. It also helped not to capture too much air in the container -- defeated the purpose. Same reason we were told not to take the film out of canisters immediately after removing it from the freezer/refrigerator.
But it sounds like this may be more battery performance related than condensation related.
DRabbit
Registered
FYI - I've been shooting out in the cold a lot this winter with the M8 and have come to the conclusion the battery definitely doesn't like extreme cold... it'll die very quickly. I thought maybe it was the fact it was my batteries both being almost 3 years old now, but they perform fine (relatively speaking) compared to when I'm out on a day where it's 20 degrees.
ampguy
Veteran
probably not
probably not
at least for extended periods.
I've taken my M8 out in as cold as 5 deg F, but dry ~60% RH, but only for 1/2 hour or so. Ironically, the images may be better, with the cooler sensor. I think the batteries and power supply definitely weren't designed to be powering the camera for long periods at these temps.
But it's best to stick with the recc. operating temp ranges of the mfg. especially if under warranty.
Here are some images from a bit warmer ~ 15 deg F.
probably not
at least for extended periods.
I've taken my M8 out in as cold as 5 deg F, but dry ~60% RH, but only for 1/2 hour or so. Ironically, the images may be better, with the cooler sensor. I think the batteries and power supply definitely weren't designed to be powering the camera for long periods at these temps.
But it's best to stick with the recc. operating temp ranges of the mfg. especially if under warranty.
Here are some images from a bit warmer ~ 15 deg F.
degruyl
Just this guy, you know?
Unless you have steam heat... (which I do - but I am not the OP, so it does not matter)