Is Photography REALLY Art?

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Is photography REALLY art?

The question of photography as real art was explained pretty well by Man Ray, an American artist who took up photography about 95 years ago.
"There are purists in all forms of expression. There are photographers who maintain that this medium has no relation to painting. There are painters who despise photography, although in the last century [1800s] have been inspired by it and used it. There are architects who refuse to hang a painting in their buildings, maintaining that their own work is a complete expression. In the same spirit, when the automobile arrived, there were those that declared the horse to be the most perfect form of locomotion.

All these attitudes result from a fear that the one will replace the other. Nothing of the kind happened. We have simply increased our range, our vocabulary. I see no one trying to abolish the automobile because we have the airplane.

I was very fortunate in starting my career as a painter. When first confronted with a camera, I was very much intimidated. So I decided to investigate. But I maintained the approach of a painter to such a degree that I have been accused of trying to make a photograph look like a painting. I did not have to try, it just turned out that way because of my background and training. Many years ago I had conceived the idea of making a painting look like a photograph! There was a valid reason for this. I wished to distract the attention from any manual dexterity, so that the basic idea stood out. ...

Of course there will always be those who look at works with a magnifying glass and try to see "how", instead of using their brains and figure out "why". A book was once published of twenty photographs by twenty photographers, of the same model. They were as different as twenty paintings of the same model. Which was proof, once and for all, of the flexibility of the camera and its validity as an instrument of expression. There are many paintings and buildings that are not works of art. It is the man behind whatever instrument who determines the work of art. ...

Some of the most complete and satisfying works of art have been produced when their authors had no idea of creating a work of art, but were concerned with the expression of an idea. Nature does not create works of art. It is we, and the faculty of interpretation peculiar to the human mind, that see art."
~~ Man Ray


Food for thought. Man Ray died in 1975. Robert Legatt's website is well worth a visit if one has an interest in the history of photography. It reveals many surprises about the history of imaging... things we thought we knew that were not quite right.

Happy day.
 
I don't know who this Art guy is but he sure can stir up a lot of trouble.

Bob
 
Gee, I haven't heard this one for awhile. I thought this subject was exhausted in the 19th Century. I guess not.

Art requires a maker and an observer. If both agree that it's art, then art it is. If one or both don't think so, then art it isn't. This applies also to anyone who ever picked up a paintbrush or molded clay.

Some people don't know what to like. They go to museums and galleries so that they can be told what they like.
 
It's not important.

You take a picture. Someone says it's art. Someone else says it isn't art. The photo stays the same.

Beware the notion that the words we use to talk about things change them.
 
This reminds me of my days in the university photography club. The question used to quickly lead to another: "What's art?".

Even though my answer is "I don't care", it is quite a lot of fun discussing the subject.

Oh, and, they don't make art as they used to do...
 
My late father-in-law was Art. But he died, so I guess there's no Art any more.

He was a keen amateur photographer, too: we inherited a couple of his cameras. He must have been an Art photographer.

Man Ray's analysis reminds me too much of those who call themselves 'artists who use photography' rather than 'photographers'. You take photographs, you're a photographer. You create art, you're an artist. The two may or may not overlap.

Cheers,

R.
 
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You can call my photos Art (God forbid!), but I'm just a photographer and artisan at best....

Fred is right, it will flame I guess... but since I'm not an artist...

Edit: Can Photography be Light poetry?
 
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Photography can be art. It does not mean that photography is always art, or all photogtapher are artist. Just my opinion, ciao
robert
 
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