Will you buy Nikon's upcoming EVIL camera?

Will you buy Nikon's upcoming EVIL camera?

  • Never!

    Votes: 128 43.2%

  • There's a small possibility I might.

    Votes: 113 38.2%

  • Probably.

    Votes: 38 12.8%

  • Absolutely without a doubt!

    Votes: 17 5.7%
  • Total voters
    296
No, unless the sensor is larger than m-4/3. I disagree with Nick on this one. I have really been enjoying a slew of odd glass on an OLy E-P2 -- and you know what? The image quality doesn't touch the M8 (at low ISOs) or the D3 (at high ISOs), but it is fun to use. And, while I think I answered someone's poll that I wasn't interested in movie-mode -- Y It's a hoot. I've got so many lenses that will work on this thing (Konica AR, Nikon-F, Nikon-S, Contax, Leica-R, Leica-M, C/V LTM and M), it is as close to a universal platform as I could wish for. . . EXCEPT miss that full frame thing. SO. If Nikon wants my money for a new concept camera, they'd have to split the difference between the EP-2 and the D3 on image quality and give me something that will make my wides wide. I'd go weak in the knees for something the size of a Nikon S2 with the D3's chip. Aooooah.



Ben Marks
 
No sale unless they have some miracle of small sensor design up their sleeves - literally all available evidence points to that size sensor not being able to measure up to what many of us want: low noise. That is in addition to the obvious: small camera, viewfinder, good controls, removable lenses.

So the unicorn of camera design remains a myth.
 
If you compare the m4/3 against a DSLR and start taking off points for its disadvantages, it will obviously come up short. No question! But I don't believe that is the market the manufactures are targeting, it's not mean to replace a DSLR.

But if you are looking for something better than a P&S for times you want higher IQ, but can't, or are not willing, to lug a DSLR around every day. If you compare its advantages against a P&S, it really shines. Better IQ, higher usable ISO, decent image size, manual capabilities, ability to use HQ fast interchangeable lenses, removable EVF to keep it compact yet have the ability when needed, ext flash capable, long battery life, compact package, etc.

We as photographers have been asking for years for compact cameras that we can carry every day, and still get decent results from. The m4/3 cameras seem to actually get close, and are head and shoulders better than 98% of all P&S alternatives out there.

To me, the m4/3 is a P&S on steroids. Not a replacement for the DSLR, but his little brother he sends when he can't be there himself. Not equivalent to a DSLR, but better than the best offerings from the P&S crowd.

I'll allow the m4/3 to ride along with me daily for everyday stuff, ditch the P&S altogether, and call on its big brother when he is really needed. ;)

With that said, this offering from Sony seems like a step backwards from that goal IMO.
 
CK Dexter Haven said:
No sense in a camera with interchangeable lenses and a small sensor. I already have a Canon S90 that i don't use because it can only make 'small sensor' pictures. I'm far more interested in the Samsung NX10 (or what comes next) and the Sony NEX, although Sony has a way to go before they understand interface design.
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Sony knows quite a bit about interface design. The A700/850/900 are about as good as it gets in this regard. Sony purposefully made the NEX interface more cell phone like in order to make it extremely easy to pick up and use. In fact, it was designed by Sony Ericsson. Although improvements could certainly be made, every advanced owner that I've talked to says the NEX interface is still quite usable.
 
How do you know about the sensor size? I haven't found a statement about the size in my reading. Can you point me to the source? Thanks.
 
PKR said:
How do you know about the sensor size? I haven't found a statement about the size in my reading. Can you point me to the source? Thanks.
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I don't think there is an official statement on it yet, it is just the rumour mill churning away.

EDIT: Although that link looks mighty interesting
 
When the first post in the thread listed "facts", I musunderstood. They were "Rumored Facts". I think I'm getting the hang of this. I'm new here.

pkr
 
How should I know whether I'd like Nikon's (eventually) upcoming camera enough to make a buying decision, when there's absolutely no valid data available? That's why I didn't vote.

It really all depends on which market Nikon will be targeting for its new product:
  1. Do they just aim for a more competent competitor to canon's S90 - with changeable lenses. This design might be interesting for those that are reasonably happy thith fingernail-sized sensors, but want more flexibility. This camera would not be an option for me.
  2. Are they planning to give the user an APS-C size sensor with the capability of less noise at higher ISO values plus somewhat better OOF area isolation together with exchangeable lenses and a more photographer-friendly user interface than Sony's offering? Then this camera might be an option for me as I'm looking for the same IQ my Nikon D300 provides, but in a more compact package.
  3. Would they plan on offering an FX sensor plus a sub-compact lens lineup that delivers the same IQ and OOF feature isolation of a full-format DSLR, and a UI that also caters for ambitious photographers, then I might even sell my analogue Hexar and its lenses to finance such a camera.
It all comes down to which market Nikon will be aiming at ...
 
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If Nikon planed to take advantage of the existing FX and DX lenses with a non mirror box camera, the depth of focus distance (between the sensor and rear element) would need a sensor that would give th eproper coverage. Other wise, a new crop of lenses will be commimg with the new camera.
 
The image circle will be 17mm, which is smaller than u4/3.

Although I'm very happy with the results from my EPL1, m4/3 is small enough for me. Even though I'm a Nikon DSLR user, and there's likely to be some cross compatibility (knowing Nikon), an even smaller sensor would have to really wow me - especially to take the hit financially.
 
Actually I have realized that I could imagine a camera with such a semi-small chip. If Nikon would put on a f/2.8 zoom lens of some 25 - 75 mm equivalent lens (non exchangeable) and make all the package small, compact and nice to use - it would work nicely as high-end P&S. Just a companion to MF gear on vacation.

I would of course expect all bells & whistles, distortion corrected clean images of some 8 - 10 Mpix (not more!) where little to no work needs to be done for some nice vacation A4 prints.

I have come to this as I have recently checked the size of the m4/3 cameras and while the bodies are of acceptable size, the zoom lenses are NOT. Maybe it is just time for Voigtlaender to introduce manual zoom lenses for m4/3 :angel:
 
unless it supports the S-mount lens with and adapter and has at least a APS sensor size... no way!
Sry Nippon Kogaku... you could do much better than that!
 
For me, P&S film cameras suffice but at some point I’ll buy into the digital camera thing.
The Sony nex5 has my attention, it meets my requirements; relatively inexpensive, compact, light weight with a killer 3:2 apsC sensor.
The only other configuration that would divert my attention would be a fixed lens, short af zoom lens mounted on a small compact body with either an apsC or multi-aspect m43 sensor.
[FONT=&quot]If Nikon or for that fact, any other manufacture presents such a device, I’d be interested[/FONT]
 
shadowfox said:
17mm... really!

C'mon Nikon, punch in a full-frame sensor in there, then we can talk.
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I've read two separate announcements about this new camera. I got the idea, maybe incorrectly, that it would use the current inventory of Nikkors. Nothing has been said about the size of the camera other than with a missing mirror box, it's likely to be thinner. So, it could be a DX sensor. It's not likely to be FX, though that would be great. p.
 
Nobody Knows, Patents Suggest Smaller Sensor

Nobody Knows, Patents Suggest Smaller Sensor

PKR said:
I've read two separate announcements about this new camera. I got the idea, maybe incorrectly, that it would use the current inventory of Nikkors. Nothing has been said about the size of the camera other than with a missing mirror box, it's likely to be thinner. So, it could be a DX sensor. It's not likely to be FX, though that would be great. p.
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I haven't been following this very closely, but IIRC there haven't been any official announcements from Nikon yet that even hinted at EVIL sensor size. We're still fairly deep in rumorland here.

Nikon has filed patents on a mirrorless camera body (or certain aspects of a mirrorless camera body?) and a suite of lenses. The lenses are very compact and only cover a 17mm-diagonal sensor, which is the reason for the assumption the EVIL camera will have a smaller sensor. Have any patents directly specified sensor dimensions?

We will know for sure when an official announcement is made. Until then, we're guessing and projecting based on filed patents, leaks and rumors.

I find m4/3 compact enough to have basically replaced my digital p&s cameras, and capable enough to replace 90% of my DSLR use. I don't think a smaller EVIL system from anyone would motivate me to buy unless the image quality equals or exceeds m4/3, could still use legacy glass, and has an EVF. I don't think Nikon can make it smaller overall without a smaller sensor, and it would be quite a trick to equal/exceed m4/3 quality with a smaller sensor. But I'm prepared to be thrilled.

I very much like the fact that mirrorless systems are taking root and flowering.....
 
I think it won't even have a DX sensor, but a smaller one... And if it has a DX one, its price wouldn't be too conservative... But the small size would be attractive if DX lenses can be used...

Cheers,

Juan
 
Juan Valdenebro said:
I think it won't even have a DX sensor, but a smaller one... And if it has a DX one, its price wouldn't be too conservative... But the small size would be attractive if DX lenses can be used...

Cheers,

Juan
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Hi Juan;

I think there is a second camera coming in addition to the EVIL. it may have a bigger sensor, though it may not be as large as a DX. Nikon wants to compete with the G11. i think they have something coming. p.
 
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