Ming Rider
Film, the next evolution.
Dear Leica,
Please, please take the opportunity with the upcoming Firmware Update to add an Option in the Menu to turn the 'Protect' button, into an 'ISO' button (unless of course you plan to do this anyway).
We don't mind if this delays the Firmware release.
Please, please take the opportunity with the upcoming Firmware Update to add an Option in the Menu to turn the 'Protect' button, into an 'ISO' button (unless of course you plan to do this anyway).
We don't mind if this delays the Firmware release.
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efix
RF user by conviction
Seconded. Plus some additional characters so RFF will accept my message ...
Lss
Well-known
There's a 'Protect' button? (Yes, I own the camera.)
Leica, please allow a useful functionality, such as setting ISO, through any such utterly useless button.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Please - I use protect regularly.
What is useless for one may be useful for somebody else.
I never use the exposure compensation - let's remove that!
What is useless for one may be useful for somebody else.I never use the exposure compensation - let's remove that!
Lss
Well-known
The beauty of configurable buttons - we could both have something we could use!Please - I use protect regularly.
Edit. Given that the button probably does nothing 99% of the time (when you are not in review mode), I think I will actually upgrade my casual remark to firm opinion status. I have never pushed the 'Protect' button, so obviously I'm no expert on the subject.
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jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Well, I simply bought an M9....
However, I was reacting to:
However, I was reacting to:
semordnilap
Well-known
A simple solution would be that the button would do one thing (protect) in image review mode, and another (iso) in shooting mode. Leica should have done this from the beginning, but no... and I'm sure they won't do it now.
It would be awesome if the M10 would have configurable buttons ala the S2. And plenty of new features, so I could pick up a used M9 for not too much money Please Leica, make an M10 sooooooon!!!!!!
It would be awesome if the M10 would have configurable buttons ala the S2. And plenty of new features, so I could pick up a used M9 for not too much money
Please Leica, make an M10 sooooooon!!!!!!
jarski
Veteran
maybe Leica reads LUF more often than RFF, so re-poll there ?
menu option to re-configure "Protect" button would be required of course.
but, looking how hard its for them to add M9-like lens profiles, which is even more asked for than this, I dont see this coming IIRC their newer firmware codebase for M9 (or later cameras) is very different than to M8. touching something thats not in active development is risky business, chance to break something is higher.
menu option to re-configure "Protect" button would be required of course.
but, looking how hard its for them to add M9-like lens profiles, which is even more asked for than this, I dont see this coming
IIRC their newer firmware codebase for M9 (or later cameras) is very different than to M8. touching something thats not in active development is risky business, chance to break something is higher.
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
My M is a NineThirds and it has no protect button and no exposure compensation. Just sayin'
Also please make the selftimer have a 0 second option for super soft release.
Quinn Porter
Established
Agree with the OP. It's silly that changing ISO on a film M is a more direct process than on an M8.
monochromeimages
Established
I never use the protect button but never really change ISO either so I voted don't see the need.
dof
Fiat Lux
I agree with adding a 0 second self-timer delay option. This is actually more important to me than lens code selection. And yes, Jaap, I know I could buy and M8.2 or M9 to solve the problem with inadvertantly moving the switch. It just seems as though the proposed software solution benefits more people than just me.
As for the poll, I protect my images as often as I change ISO, so the option is lost on me.
peterm1
Veteran
Whats wrong with making it a "soft button" ie software programmable?
I have one such "function" button on my Lumix LX3. You go into the menu and select from a drop down list which function you wish to assign to it. Thereafter the function button fulfils that specific function until you change it again in the menu.
That sort of selectable functionality should, one imagines, be implementable through a firmware upgrade.
In my LX3 for example, an upgrade to firmware added to the function list for that button, a further option to select 1:1 format (ie square format) for shooting in addition to the other functions already present. (Latest LX5 cameras now have that on a dedicated switch on the top of the camera's lens together with other optional formats.) I am not suggesting that specific function would be possible to implement for an M8 (it has no no "live view") - just citing it as an example of what other camera companies do.
This sort of selectable option would give shooters the best of all worlds - the ability to select how to use the button in the most effective way FOR THEM. For example you could add several other options to avoid having to go into a menu and sub menu to make the changes.
One function I would like to see is a backlight function - this would act to boost exposure in the foreground to compensate for backlighting. Of course you can do it manually when in manual mode by deliberately over exposing or you can do it via the menu (exposure compensation ) when in auto mode but its a bit of a pain given that this is the sort of thing that one typically only needs for a single shot, then has to be changed back again. (Years ago I even had one film compact that had this kind of function - to implement it you actually held the button down with your thumb while shooting and during that time it increased exposure by half a stop till you released the button. Possibly not a bad way to implement such a function on a Leica if the ergonomics are right.)
I have one such "function" button on my Lumix LX3. You go into the menu and select from a drop down list which function you wish to assign to it. Thereafter the function button fulfils that specific function until you change it again in the menu.
That sort of selectable functionality should, one imagines, be implementable through a firmware upgrade.
In my LX3 for example, an upgrade to firmware added to the function list for that button, a further option to select 1:1 format (ie square format) for shooting in addition to the other functions already present. (Latest LX5 cameras now have that on a dedicated switch on the top of the camera's lens together with other optional formats.) I am not suggesting that specific function would be possible to implement for an M8 (it has no no "live view") - just citing it as an example of what other camera companies do.
This sort of selectable option would give shooters the best of all worlds - the ability to select how to use the button in the most effective way FOR THEM. For example you could add several other options to avoid having to go into a menu and sub menu to make the changes.
One function I would like to see is a backlight function - this would act to boost exposure in the foreground to compensate for backlighting. Of course you can do it manually when in manual mode by deliberately over exposing or you can do it via the menu (exposure compensation ) when in auto mode but its a bit of a pain given that this is the sort of thing that one typically only needs for a single shot, then has to be changed back again. (Years ago I even had one film compact that had this kind of function - to implement it you actually held the button down with your thumb while shooting and during that time it increased exposure by half a stop till you released the button. Possibly not a bad way to implement such a function on a Leica if the ergonomics are right.)
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I think having the option to make this [Protect] button "dynamic" is a great idea. I doubt that over 10% of owners use it, and it's taking precious real estate.
The M6, M7 and MPs have the dial readily accessible, all other modern cameras have the ISO button or dial immediately accessible. This omission on the M8 and M9 is really mind-boggling.
You do get used to (I did soon enough) the three-step process of changing the ISO, but it shouldn't be this way.
The M6, M7 and MPs have the dial readily accessible, all other modern cameras have the ISO button or dial immediately accessible. This omission on the M8 and M9 is really mind-boggling.
You do get used to (I did soon enough) the three-step process of changing the ISO, but it shouldn't be this way.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Sorry - backlight function?? That would be exactly the kind of crutch Leica is NOT about. Just switch to manual, expose the part you want to be 18% at 18 % and take your shot. Don't expect the camera to do your thinking for you.
I think the button provides the PROTECT function on the M8. The M9 has the button used for ISO. It took me a while to get used to it. You press the button to bring up the ISO menu, then select. I can see the definition of the button both ways: if you have a critical shot, you want it protected quickly. ISO: I use it more like loading a roll of film. Tend to set it, change if absolutely required.
The operation of the M8 and M9 is so simple compared to the Olympus EP2, the use of the button for ISO vs Protect is "in the noise". I Emailed to Raid for my EP2 that I keep pushing buttons at random until it does what I want. The menu system is "not straight-forward".
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I really don't see the point of the protect button ... I've never used one on any camera. Deleting a pic is a deliberate two step action, not something you can do with one careless inatentive press.
But then again, some people have to wear slipons because they can't tie shoelaces!
But then again, some people have to wear slipons because they can't tie shoelaces!
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
If you are in a situation where you have far more images than you want to keep - say wildlife -moving about and a developing situation- and have to be careful with storage space - the middle of nowhere and the nearest Wallmart 5000 miles away- it is very practical to protect the images you want to keep and then hit "delete all" This was even more practical before the SDHC upgrade
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Ah. Thanks for the correction.
Yes, I see changing ISO as "changing a roll of film", too, and it's not that big of a deal once you're used to doing it the way you have to do it on the M8. But things would be far smoother if that button could be used for ISO.
If they did it for the M9, I'm sure they wouldn't mind giving that as an option on the M8.