Is this summicron 35mm an original or a repaint?

[rod64]

I thought the distance scale was usually yellow not red. The price is kind of ridiculous no matter if it is original.

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[250swb]

I'm not an expert in black paint lenses, but I always thought they were painted onto a brass body (so the paint will stick), the chips seems to show this is black paint on a chrome body? As regards the flange being black I don't know whether they were black or not, but it could have been chemically blackened.

Steve

 

[35mmdelux]

the numbers look very crispy for the age of the lens, suggesting it may be re-paint.

 

[Phil_F_NM]

Looking at the serial number list online, this lens was made in 1959 but aside from that I can't glean any more information from the number. Maybe there's a genuine list out there (in the Compendium?) Aside from that, this lens looks exactly like the one on Tom A's black paint M2 featured on the saloonkeeper's cameraquest site. Red distance scale paint and all. The fact that it does look too good and the paint looks like it's flaking off of chrome are suspect but that might be a lighting issue too.

Phil Forrest

 

[nobbylon]

Some of the original black paint lenses were also painted over nickel or chrome. Some were also a mix of anodised and black paint. Looking at the made in canada part on the barrel looks original to me anyway. 20k for a lens though! serious collectors and speculators only.

 

[250swb]

Interesting, thank you.

Steve

 

[Flat Twin]

I spied this and was unconvinced as to its originality, have you ever seen one of these lenses with a black mounting flange? Look at the 2nd picture, there is paint overspill in the 8 of 2.8 on the aperture ring and the rest of the black paint has a suspect sheen to the finish. Either way the asking price is ridiculous...

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Simon

 

[Fred R.]

It's a baited hook.

 

[mdarnton]

The face of the flange, the part that determines distance to the film, looks painted to me. If it is, I totally don't believe it. That's a critical-measurement surface, and I doubt that Leitz would have used a wearable paint skin there.

 

[nobbylon]

The face of the flange, the part that determines distance to the film, looks painted to me. If it is, I totally don't believe it. That's a critical-measurement surface, and I doubt that Leitz would have used a wearable paint skin there.

Well they did black bayonet mounts on Leicaflex but on an SLR it doesn't matter. The paint is so thin it shouldn't matter on an M anyway.

 

[nobbylon]

I've just done a bit of a dig on the internet and the two pics I can find show a v1 with a chrome mount and also a v1 with a brass mount painted black. Where's Tom when we need him!?

 

[peter_n]

Well, it looks like a paint job to me...

 

[leicavitmp]

Introduced by both Leitz Canada and Leitz Wetzlar in 1958, the 8elt 2,0/35mm Summicron was prepared in several models & variations: the 11108 (SAWOO-MW) "RF" lens for the Leica M3 and the 11308 (SAWOO-M) for the Leica M2 or M1.
This lens exist in black anodized, mixed black painted/anodized and a few in all black paint. Black finish lenses 11104 "RF" and 11307 exist with chrome or black painted bayonet mounting flange holding a tiny screw below E in MADE.
Brass material was used only in the bayonet mounting flange and the rest of the lens was made in aluminum.
11307 lenses changed, in 1969, the footage scale from red to more visible yellow numerals.