Bike Tourist
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Just what the Sigma DP series needed:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/08/Sigma_DP1M_DP2M_Merrill_Cameras
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/08/Sigma_DP1M_DP2M_Merrill_Cameras
This should be interesting
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The key is if they've fixed the other problems with these cameras... slowness.
pvdhaar
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When I read Merrill edition, I first assumed it referred to Marcy Merrill of junkstorecamera.com fame. Would have been cool, a Gala Edition Sigma DP, something like http://junkstorecameras.com/galacollection/galareadyflash1.jpg
Bike Tourist
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Yep, fix the slowness and, for me, provide the viewfinder, no doubt the same one. The PRICE will be very important since the DSLR is priced way out of the ballpark to the point where purchasing is not even considered by most people.
paulfish4570
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it is a handsome little thing.
Greyscale
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Archiver
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Sigma have also dropped the price of the SD1 to about $3000. Expect to see a street price of $2300.
I'm thrilled at the idea of completely revamped DP cameras. I just hope they tick more boxes this time, like operating speed and overall usability. If the SD1 is now $2300, surely these,new cameras will be about the price of a X100. I'd pay more than that for the SD1 chip in a compact body, but not much more.
I'm thrilled at the idea of completely revamped DP cameras. I just hope they tick more boxes this time, like operating speed and overall usability. If the SD1 is now $2300, surely these,new cameras will be about the price of a X100. I'd pay more than that for the SD1 chip in a compact body, but not much more.
If this is priced more than $800, it will fail. IMO.
aad
Not so new now.
You know, I'm not a serial camera purchaser, but when I researched cameras, the ONLY camera that made files that consistently stood out (and I realize that looking at files on the web is nearly pointless) was the DP2. Even when the picture was lousy, as most are, they had a look I liked.
Archiver
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Not so sure about that. It will compete with the likes of the Fuji X100, Ricoh GXR and Leica X1, which all sell for more than $1100. I expect a retail price around $1200. It won't be a raging success, as no Sigma camera has been yet, but I'll wager that Sigma have sold more DP cameras than SD bodies.
Maximilian
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Bumping this thread to see if anyone might have any more info on these cameras yet? I'm really looking forward towards reading the reviews and seeing the price tag of these!
If these handle well and take great pictures with lots of tones, how nice would it be to only carry these two as a full camera kit?! Here's to dreaming they live up to my hopes, or hoping they live up to my dreams, which ever way you want to put it! 🙂
If these handle well and take great pictures with lots of tones, how nice would it be to only carry these two as a full camera kit?! Here's to dreaming they live up to my hopes, or hoping they live up to my dreams, which ever way you want to put it! 🙂
Bike Tourist
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As for me, I've already committed to the Fuji X100 and X-Pro1. The wait is most definitely over.
btgc
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I'm not after new DP cameras because of price but probably I've read Sigma went "let's squeeze out better hi-ISO pictures" route and DP loyalists didn't like how images look, just don't remember if only hi-ISO or in whole range? Maybe I'm totally wrong.
Reworked lenses (on Merril they don't extend like on original, s and x models?) which have a chance not to end up with broken ribbon cable after relatively short period sound good. Personally I do not like shift of lens to leftmost position on body but probably that makes more space for right hand.
I do not really care how many de-facto there are Sigma-pixels, pure number or compared to Bayer pixels or interpolated with depth of ocean. I just like look of Foveon pictures.
Slow? Yes, not the camera for hosing at high FPS rate, though captures immediately after shutter is released. MF dial is awesome feature. You anyway have only one chance to take picture, do not blame camera if you miss it. Well, sports is another but tthere's know recipe for this dish - DSLR.
Reworked lenses (on Merril they don't extend like on original, s and x models?) which have a chance not to end up with broken ribbon cable after relatively short period sound good. Personally I do not like shift of lens to leftmost position on body but probably that makes more space for right hand.
I do not really care how many de-facto there are Sigma-pixels, pure number or compared to Bayer pixels or interpolated with depth of ocean. I just like look of Foveon pictures.
Slow? Yes, not the camera for hosing at high FPS rate, though captures immediately after shutter is released. MF dial is awesome feature. You anyway have only one chance to take picture, do not blame camera if you miss it. Well, sports is another but tthere's know recipe for this dish - DSLR.
I truly think it competes more with m4/3 than the cameras you referenced.
rxmd
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I have a DP1, and while image quality is OK, it ended up getting on my nerves a fair bit. The cameras are SLOW, the lens mechanics are finicky (mine had to be repaired two times and now the lens doesn't come out the third time, I think I've had it with this camera), Sigma's software for raw conversion is a pain, and the raw file format seems rather tricky too (some files get read by Lightroom, others don't). I don't think this Sigma will end up particularly attractive for me.
With no Bayer filter in front of the sensor, it should make for decent real-15 megapixel B&W images, though, for those of you who want an M9M alternative.
With no Bayer filter in front of the sensor, it should make for decent real-15 megapixel B&W images, though, for those of you who want an M9M alternative.
Lss
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Give me Aperture support and I will probably get one. I used to have the DP1 and it was a fine camera. The lack of RAW support was the main issue that put me off it.
Lss
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Why? The DP line is about fixed lens, fixed focal length, and large sensor. They are more like an X100 or Leica X in this respect.
Actually, you're right... m4/3 isn't accurate, but I don't feel they are in the same class as the X100 or X2. Perhaps they are a class of their own?
I just cannot see them going for $1200+ ... the ones I've seen in the past have been heavily discounted once they don't sell. I see so many cameras in NYC... and many very desirable ones. I never see these Sigmas out and about.
Lss
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I agree that Sigma needs very competitive pricing to move the product. The DP line has many qualities that makes it almost unmarketable for the masses, although many enthusiast like these cameras.
Archiver
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It appears that the Australian distributor says that they will be about the same price as the DP cameras are now, which is a lot lower than the $1200 I predicted. Mind you, the Australian distributor sells Sigma cameras a lot cheaper than in the rest of the world. The SD1 is a fair bit less than in Europe.
Because of the usual 'Sigma lag' between announcement and release, I'd almost forgotten about these cameras. I will put off buying anything else until they are out, as the promise of the new Merrill cameras is quite high.
Because of the usual 'Sigma lag' between announcement and release, I'd almost forgotten about these cameras. I will put off buying anything else until they are out, as the promise of the new Merrill cameras is quite high.
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