BobYIL
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This chart shows the interchangeable lens camera sales in the last quarter of 2011, from CIPA. The dark blue ones are the mirrorless and the light blue for the DSLRs.
According to CIPA the mirrorless interchangeable camera sales is expected to reach 5 million units this year, more than two times for the year 2010; a rapid growing market (actually the fastest growing branch in photographic industry.)
The trend in Japan has always been decisive for the rest of the countries, at least for being a reliable indicator for "what's going to happen two years from now". This trend is indicative for what's being cooked now.. Probably in two years we will observe the 50% share of the mirrorless all over the world.
I think we are going to see some very interesting cameras in the oncoming Photokina in September, especially some models to interest us rangefinder users. I will not be surprised if Canon and Nikon had decided to "break their silence" to get their share in this 50% market to reach some 5 million cameras this year.
FYI, 5 million was the total sales of interchangeable lens digital cameras in 1999..
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
With figures like that obviously Canikon aren't going to be sitting on their hands for too much longer!
Bring it on!
Bring it on!
Jockos
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Nikon already released the V1, so it's only Canon left standing at the side line
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
The V1's a toy IMO ... they'll need to do better than that!
I was asking the salesman at the shop where I got my OMD how the Nikon V1 was selling and he said it was slow!
I mentioned I thought it seemed like a handbag camera and he smiled and nodded.
clayne
shoot film or die
I'm using cameras made in the 1960s and 70s and having zero problems achieving high quality results from them. It's not the gear.
Lss
Well-known
Nikon 1 probably makes up a pretty significant part of the Japanese mirrorless sales, though. This is purely based on observing the cameras Japanese tourists carry. Japanese women seem to really like the Nikon J1, while the men are more in the traditional DSLR/bigger-sensor-mirrorless camp. Year or two and US/Europe should catch up.The V1's a toy IMO ... they'll need to do better than that!
I was asking the salesman at the shop where I got my OMD how the Nikon V1 was selling and he said it was slow!
Who said it was?
BobYIL
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Bear in mind most of those cameras will survive another 40-50 years by delivering quality results, maybe thru some CLA.... however I wonder what will happen with our digitals.
(I'm serious, the services keep spares for them longest 10 years, voice of experience after writing off 150 professional recorders due to not available spares from a most prominent factory: Panasonic.)
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
A "film vs. digital" or "1960s cameras vs. new cameras" argument isn't exactly original around here.
The spare parts argument is getting tired. The problem is hardly limited to electronic gear, low-end gear, Japanese gear, or digital gear for that matter. Ask Leica about how they expect to replenish their supply of mechanical R6 shutter assemblies, for example.
BobYIL
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The majority of the mechanical cameras are serviceable today. For such cameras one does not need factory authorized services and their service is not dependent on exclusively the parts supplied by the manufacturer. For example, any M body can be repaired –possibly- by over 30 technicians/services located in USA and Europe and I know that a large portion of them are not factory trained persons.. The same is true for the mechanical Nikons, Canons too.
Such services can replace the worn or broken parts easily, either with few NOS parts remained from the Jurassic era or most frequently salvaged from bodies dismantled to be used for spares. No M-Leica in their hands goes to trash no matter if it fell from the 8th floor down, they find many parts to reuse.
Such service and parts are generally for bodies sold in large quantities or those sold not much but sharing parts with the more popular ones.
The worst thing with digital: Service & Parts replacement require also sophisticated test/measuring devices. FYI, Nikon stopped sales of any digital parts to any service other than their own Authorized Service Stations. They use ONLY the parts supplied by the manufacturer. (BTW, did you see the desk and equipment of our beloved Youxin Ye for example? I can dismantle and put back my M-Leicas on a surface of two sq.ft with tools to not fill even a shoe box.)
As for the R6: Not a popular model but I am sure either in the States or in EU, especially in Germany there should be one or two technicians who can service it too.. Also there is no such rule that each and every camera will live on..
Aristophanes
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The V1's a toy IMO ... they'll need to do better than that!
I was asking the salesman at the shop where I got my OMD how the Nikon V1 was selling and he said it was slow!
I mentioned I thought it seemed like a handbag camera and he smiled and nodded.
It's a price issue.
They are simply too expensive.
To tease sales from DSLR champs looking for a 2nd ILC camera, you need to price it like an accessory camera, not your "main" or "serious" camera.
So it has to be cheaper than a 5100 and a GF series. It is not, so it is not selling well.
The premium compact market for digital is not the same as it was for film. Film itself levelled the playing field, so the competition could be on size vs. features. That dynamic doesn't work on digital so premium priced compacts even with ILC's have trouble charging a "small tax".
btgc
Veteran
Japanese simply are smart. When I see Japanese tourists going through city, all the day, by all nice buildings and monuments, it's clear it takes to be extremely trained to lug DSLR kit around. Mirrorless take same pictures for less money and with less stress on skeleton.
Jockos
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The V1's a toy IMO ... they'll need to do better than that!
I was asking the salesman at the shop where I got my OMD how the Nikon V1 was selling and he said it was slow!
I mentioned I thought it seemed like a handbag camera and he smiled and nodded.
Wait wait, V1 is a toy but OMD with M43 sensor is not?
emraphoto
Veteran
i toyed around with the V1... kind of liked it actually. a fast prime in my preferred focal length would have sealed the deal for me.
Peter^
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I believe that in ten years DSLRs will be fully replaced by mirrorless systems. With the advances in EVFs, DSLRs have no advantage. The advantages of mirrorless, however, are well-known to rangefinder user's.
Before digital, there was no technical way to bridge the gap between SLRs and RFs. Mirrorless systems do exactly that.
Before digital, there was no technical way to bridge the gap between SLRs and RFs. Mirrorless systems do exactly that.
tomtofa
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Yes, I think that if Nikon comes out with faster lenses for the V1, it will take off - great viewfinder, very fast focus, many handy features.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I suppose if your talking full frame they are both toys in comparison. The asthetics of the Nikon is what makes it that way for me ... not it's performance!
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
What makes the Nikon 1 a toy is two things:
- UI based on the idea that it is for compact camera upgraders. In that sense the OM-D is a real camera.
- Crop factor that makes using legacy glass all but pointless, makes DOF control much harder and brings a disadvantage in image quality compared to m4/3rds and APS-C
That's why I have a NEX and why I strongly dissuade young women to buy a Nikon 1, no matter how 'cute' it may be.
- UI based on the idea that it is for compact camera upgraders. In that sense the OM-D is a real camera.
- Crop factor that makes using legacy glass all but pointless, makes DOF control much harder and brings a disadvantage in image quality compared to m4/3rds and APS-C
That's why I have a NEX and why I strongly dissuade young women to buy a Nikon 1, no matter how 'cute' it may be.
pdexposures
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Interesting, I knew the market was growing but I had no idea by how much!
CK Dexter Haven
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I presume those 'old' cameras are full-frame (35mm) or larger.... You should expect different results with small sensors. Whether or not you can get 'sharp' pictures from the small sensor digitals is one thing. Getting the specific kinds of results you want from them is another matter.
This is like telling the 8x10 shooter you get 'high quality results' from your Leica. So what.