Full-frame digital non-Leica M

I remember doing the math on this once. Turns out I could shoot 75 35mm rolls a year for 14 years before I hit the price on an M9 in New Zealand. I'm doubling my output next year though, so I could shoot around 175 rolls (mixed between 120 and 35mm) for 7 years before hitting the 9-10 grand mark and have savings. I would wait for the cheap M. Of course, I'm hoping that eventually Leica comes out with a competativly priced M by that time, but I'm not going to pass out holding my breath
 
PKR said:
In my large format days I understood Fuji Lenses to be Fuji designed and maybe assembled but was told or came to believe that like Kodak (Red Dot Arars) the glass was German or maybe ground in the Hoya or Pentax factory. The Fuji S2, S5 Pro cameras used Nikon glass. So - I guess I don't know - unless you know for sure.
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Not sure either as like yourself its just what I've heard or read here and there rather then any statements directly from Fuji :)

JMO but I think the reason they used a Nikon mount for The S2-S5 DSLRs was they knew they needed to get in the DSLR/APS-C/DX sensor market in order to keep up. But didn't feel the S2-S5 was unique enough to justify basing a whole new lenses system on. So the S series kept them in the prosumer digtal market until they could come up with something that justified people buying into a new lens mount.
 
I can afford to buy even a new M9 right now but has no any interest in it. Just because there is no magic in the digital for me (and by the way there is no knob on this camera with "make a stunning picture" description either:)). If I would be a "pro" - maybe, but that's completely different story.

I would rather spend this 5-6 kilo dollars on lenses and film (and honestly doesn't matter 35mm/MF/LF or even pinhole into the can) because I'm making my photographs to have fun (waiting what's come out from the film and after on the wet paper is a very tempting process for me). And with digital - it's more "point, shoot and delete" in most cases. But that's just only my and personal view on the subject.

Interesting enough - my son is around 17 right now. When we talked with him about the best awaiting gift he said "old RF camera" :) So last couple of months he spending more free time with his Zorkiy 4 then with anything else (including on-line games and watching TV). And all the digital (we have some :)) is laying on the shelfs except we need some snaps for grandees...
 
The trouble with the imaginary $3500 full frame, M mount, CRF is that after 3.5 years of use the shutter will break and it will cost $2000 to replace it. This will be the evil plan of the "what ever" camera Co. to get you to give up and buy their latest incarnation of the camera.

Or, you'll crack the back screen and they will say "Oh, were are so sorry, those screens are no longer available, but we'll give you a $750 discount on our newest wiz bang $3500 FF M mount CRF"

Wink wink, nod nod, nudge nudge.
 
I'll just use what's available. No use worrying about years down the road. Life changes too much for that.
 
Roger Hicks said:
You can die waiting for what hasn't happened yet, and may never happen.

Cheers,

R.
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Why would someone in their right mind wait for a camera when the world is full of all sorts of cameras in all range of prices?

But then the key phrase here is "right mind".


If someone wants to take photos, there is everything available at the most affordable prices, more than ever before in the history of photography. if someone is a compulsive fetishist that wants the "exact" gear then they much rather seek therapy than try to fake it as a photographer.
 
fstops said:
if someone is a compulsive fetishist that wants the "exact" gear then they much rather seek therapy than try to fake it as a photographer.
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Yes, because we all know artists and photographers are always of sane mind. :rolleyes: :D
 
Life is too short. Just buy whatever you feel like using. I will buy the M10 next year, and if in 3-4 years there is an alternative, I will consider it.
 
jsrockit said:
Yes, because we all know artists and photographers are always of sane mind. :rolleyes: :D
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Its only delusional amateurs who call themselves artists, most serious photographers are much more akin to activists and warriors with a camera. In fact most of them will get annoyed if you call them an artist.

Diado Moriayama, everyone's favorite photographer to rip off considers photography not an art but simply "copying fragments of the world".
 
jsrockit said:
You sure do throw a lot of absolutes out there fstops. I concede.
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Photography is all about absolutes, you either take a shot or you don't, you either succeed with a shot or you don't... You either stand with what you think is right or you don't... Wishy washiness and indecisiveness and "help me decide" is for gear collectors crawling the internet forums, not photographers.
 
fstops said:
Photography is all about absolutes, you either take a shot or you don't, you either succeed with a shot or you don't... You either stand with what you think is right or you don't... Wishy washiness and indecisiveness and "help me decide" is for gear collectors crawling the internet forums, not photographers.
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I don't live in a world where everything is so concrete. I leave room for error and growth.
 
fstops said:
Photography is all about absolutes, you either take a shot or you don't, you either succeed with a shot or you don't... You either stand with what you think is right or you don't... Wishy washiness and indecisiveness and "help me decide" is for gear collectors crawling the internet forums, not photographers.
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For given values of 'absolutes' and 'succeed'. But I take your point in the highlighted portion.

Cheers,

R.
 
Fuji just released a new, cheaper (999$) mod of X-Pro1 in Photokina 2012, dubbed X-E1. Of course it is APS-C and not a full frame, but the expansion of this market is heartwarming. I would say in a couple of years you will have mirrorless full-frames from consumer brands. That is the time it will take for the market to make room for a critical mass of medium-high-end consumers.
 
fstops said:
Its only delusional amateurs who call themselves artists, most serious photographers are much more akin to activists and warriors with a camera. In fact most of them will get annoyed if you call them an artist.
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This may have some truth in it, but only in the documental/PJ side of the game. On the conceptual side that uses staging, manipulation and fictional narratives/context, 'artist' is actually a better term than photographer, because what makes or breaks this kind of work depends on much more than just skill as a photographer. There is also much less shame involved in calling yourself an artist on the conceptual side, compared to the documentalists. I find both the 'artist' and 'just doing my job, mister' labels equally amusing (unless proven by actual work).

PS I just got a good chuckle trying to picture Atget posing as "warrior with a camera"
 
I just got a Olympus Digital Pen waiting for it to come in the
mail, till someone in Japan decides to make a Full frame digital
rangefinder (Nikon?) I bet they can do or someone else (Cosina?)
I'll use what I can get.

Range
 
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