nightfly
Well-known
Really liked Kodak Elite Chrome 100 for developing as E6 and cross processing.
Anyone have a good source to still get some or can recommend a replacement?
Anyone have a good source to still get some or can recommend a replacement?
charjohncarter
Veteran
Astia 100, I'm not sure if it is in 35mm.
Noll
Well-known
Pretty sure that Astia is no more for us non-hoarders.
Really all we have left are the current Fuji offerings... Provia or Velvia 100F seem the likely candidates. Otherwise I'd go for Portra 160.
There's the Rollei crossbird that's supposedly rebranded fuji, but haven't got around to trying it. Probably plenty of results around the web. If you find a slide film you like, shoot it often and keep a healthy stock.
Really all we have left are the current Fuji offerings... Provia or Velvia 100F seem the likely candidates. Otherwise I'd go for Portra 160.
There's the Rollei crossbird that's supposedly rebranded fuji, but haven't got around to trying it. Probably plenty of results around the web. If you find a slide film you like, shoot it often and keep a healthy stock.
Skiff
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There are two excellent replacements (which are even a bit better):
Fuji Provia 100F and AgfaPhoto CT 100 Precisa (the current stuff made by Fujifilm).
Provia 100F delivers a bit better sharpness and a little bit finer grain compared to Elite Chrome 100 (the difference is indeed very small, but you see it in direct comparison at huge enlargements like projection).
Provia 100F has very natural, neutral and accurate colors. Elite Chrome 100, too. But Elite Chrome 100 is a bit warmer compared to Provia.
If you want that warmer look, just use a little warming filter like a Skylight 1A or 1B filter with Provia 100F.
AgfaPhoto CT Precisa 100 is made from Provia 100F batches. But it is an amateur film with more batch to batch variation than Provia 100F. With Provia you have extremely consistant quality.
With the much cheaper CT Precisa there is a bit more variation, like with Elite Chrome, which is also an amateur emulsion.
The professional films like Provia are also cold stored in the distribution chain.
Skiff
Well-known
Rollei Crossbird and Rollei CR 200 are the same films, and not from Fujifilm, but from Agfa-Gevaert. It is Aviphot Chrome 200 film.
I cannot recommend this film: Very grainy, low resolution (compared to Fuji and Kodak, also see here
http://www.aphog.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=401&Itemid=1 )
and with a strong yellow cast.
Both Fuji Provia 100F and Provia 400X are worlds ahead. Go for the Fujis.
efix
RF user by conviction
The only replacement for Elite Chrome is Elite Chrome.
So hop onto the bay and find yourself some. It's not like all stocks are depleted.
So hop onto the bay and find yourself some. It's not like all stocks are depleted.
ath
Well-known
+1.
The rendering of blue sky is very different with Fuji.
HHPhoto
Well-known
I've seen some vendors advertise the Precisa as rebranded Sensia 100, not Provia 100F. Does anyone know, one way or the other?
Regards,
Brett
Regards,
Brett
thegman
Veteran
I cross-processed some Precisa once, quite liked it, it's very lo-fi, grainy, crap if you will, but that's what we do cross-processing for isn't it?
HHPhoto
Well-known
Hi Brett,
the currently sold AgfaPhoto CT Precisa films are indeed Provia 100F batches. That have been tested in direct comparisin again and again by numerous German photographers.
Furthermore it was confirmed by Fujifilm at last Photokina.
What Skiff has written is spot on.
But with Precisa you don't have the excellent batch to batch consistency and QC of professional film Provia 100F.
On the other side, you pay only about half the price. It is a real bargain, and much value for the money.
Cheers, Jan
Eric T
Well-known
How long do color films last in the freezer? And in the refrigerator?
HHPhoto
Well-known
Then you have probably used the old version, the original one produced at Agfa in Germany. That film was significantly grainier then the current one made by Fuji.
Cheers, Jan
thegman
Veteran
This was maybe 2 years ago now I think, but no idea which version it was. I did quite like the effect though.
HHPhoto
Well-known
In the refrigerator normally 2-3 additional years are no problem.
In the fridge: at least 6-10, maybe even more.
But the best to keep color film alive and well: Shoot as much as you can, and buy fresh film on a regular basis.
Hoarding makes it difficult for the manufacturers to plan.
Cheers, Jan
ath
Well-known
My experience is exactly vice versa. Kodak has a tendency to red/magenta but NEVER went cyan and Fuji quite often. This depends on Lab obviously but even with PS13 and Fuji Gera I found the Fuji skys not acceptable for me.
Sadly all Digitals I tried go cyan quite easily.
telenous
Well-known
There's still some remaining stock from various sources in the auction site but prices seem to have almost doubled. The nearest you can get in colour gamut, especially the 'warmth' particular in Kodak stock, will be had only with another Kodak film, I think. Portra, for example. However if you need slide film, you need slide film. Personally, once my frozen Kodak slide film reserves get depleted, I will transition to Agfa Precisa 100 (rebranded Provia 100). With this film in place, the phasing out of Sensia 100 (the other film that was reported to be Agfa Precisa 100 in the past) was a blessing in disguise, as it was not as vivid (and, can I say 'interesting' too?) as Provia 100. It's different than Kodak Elitechrome but it's a quality film and you know what you'll be getting.
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HHPhoto
Well-known
Hi Andreas,
both surprising me and interesting.
Because I use PS 13 and Fuji Gera, too (and a local E6 lab).
And I've never had any problems with a cyan cast with Provia 100F.
But a light shift to cyan in the blues with Kodak Elitechrome 100 and E100G (of course dependant on the subject and light temperature).
I know some other photographers with the same experience.
And it's also documented by Rowland Mowrey, former Kodak engineer (he explained that on apug some years ago):
'Kodak emphazises warm tones, especially yellow in its color films. Yellow is quite saturated in Kodak films.
The yellow layer contains a small amount of cyan dye forming coupler. This is done to adjust color reproduction. Wherever there is a saturated yellow, there is a tiny bit of cyan, too'.
One reason of our different results could be the lenses. Lenses differ in their spectral transmission, and these differences are often very visible in direct comparison: Some lenses render colors very warm, emphazising yellow and red, some have a magenta cast, some are neutral and some tend towards blue / cyan or green.
To give Provia 100F more the look of Kodak Elitechrome (or E100G) just use a Skylight 1A or 1B filter (to get the warmer tone) or use the polarizer (as you seem to have a preference for deep blue skys).
Cheers, Jan