thafred
silver addict
Another lens test...
since I have another "normal" lens coming in the Mail (Joes Summicron C 40..hooray!!) I decided that it is time to let a lens or two go .....so I thought I´ll make a compairson.
Camera used was my trusty M3 with Leitz or VC screw to M adapters (apart from the cron wich is M mount). The crappiest tripod you have ever seen (i have nothing better) was used but with the help of a cable release the camera wasn´t shaking or something...
Lenses are:
Leitz Summicron Coll. 50/2 (1954 coated)
Leitz Summitar Coll. 50/2 (1949 coated)
Leitz Summar Coll. 50/2 (1938 not coated)
Leitz Elmar Coll. 50/3,5 (1937 not coated)
VC Nokton 50/1,5 (bought 2005 MC)
FSU Jupiter3 50/1,5 (1951 coated)
FSU Jupiter8 50/2 (1977 coated)
FSU Fed50 50/3,5 (no idea, looks new and coated)
The first Set shows the view out of my window, all pictures are made with aperture 1:4 (on summar and Elmar between 3,5 and 4,5) with 1/60 shutter speed.
The Jupiter3 shows severe decentering! I guess I never noticed cus I allways shoot bokeh with it and never landscapes! (behaves like a tilt lens
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since I have another "normal" lens coming in the Mail (Joes Summicron C 40..hooray!!) I decided that it is time to let a lens or two go .....so I thought I´ll make a compairson.
Camera used was my trusty M3 with Leitz or VC screw to M adapters (apart from the cron wich is M mount). The crappiest tripod you have ever seen (i have nothing better) was used but with the help of a cable release the camera wasn´t shaking or something...
Lenses are:
Leitz Summicron Coll. 50/2 (1954 coated)
Leitz Summitar Coll. 50/2 (1949 coated)
Leitz Summar Coll. 50/2 (1938 not coated)
Leitz Elmar Coll. 50/3,5 (1937 not coated)
VC Nokton 50/1,5 (bought 2005 MC)
FSU Jupiter3 50/1,5 (1951 coated)
FSU Jupiter8 50/2 (1977 coated)
FSU Fed50 50/3,5 (no idea, looks new and coated)
The first Set shows the view out of my window, all pictures are made with aperture 1:4 (on summar and Elmar between 3,5 and 4,5) with 1/60 shutter speed.
The Jupiter3 shows severe decentering! I guess I never noticed cus I allways shoot bokeh with it and never landscapes! (behaves like a tilt lens
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thafred
silver addict
thafred
silver addict
The second Set is a Bokeh Test of all those lenses ...I took pictures at wide open and one or two stops lower.....shown here are Wide open only (if you wanna see f4 I can submit them too)
The foreground was lightened by a table lamp and in the background I placed a Maglight for a sharp highlight... (plus my room lamp is giving soft light)
The crops are from the center (focusing was on the Voigtländer lens cap of the 21/4) ... the J8 is slightly back focused (I calibrated it afterwards...nowits spot on )
Enjoy and tell me what you think!
The foreground was lightened by a table lamp and in the background I placed a Maglight for a sharp highlight... (plus my room lamp is giving soft light)
The crops are from the center (focusing was on the Voigtländer lens cap of the 21/4) ... the J8 is slightly back focused (I calibrated it afterwards...nowits spot on )
Enjoy and tell me what you think!
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Nachkebia
Well-known
nokton is the best
thafred
silver addict
a few words on the condition of the lenses:
The Summar is pretty hazy when a flashlight is shined throu but it has very few scratches!
The Elmar is not so hazy but has alot scratches on the front element and dust spots inside.
The Summicron has just very few marks, is clear but shows yellowing (radioactive )
Summitar is very clear has nearly no scatches on the coating but as we discovered in a recent thread the front elements are separating!
J8 is clear with few scratches on the front Element
J3 is the same
Fed 50 is like new...no scratches or haze
Nokton is spotless (but the barrel is brassing heavy!!)
My impressions......The Nokton Blows them all technicaly, followed my the Summicron (which i prefer over the Nokton because of haptics and the feel to the drawing of the lens) then come the Summitar/Jupiter8 they are very close together I think (at least in the house pics).
The rest of the bunch deliver a techically lesser drawing but the character of some lenses is nice too! (plus there is nothing more funktional as the Elmar/Fed on a Leica IIIa)
Conclusion is that this test hasn´t helped me much in deciding which lens to sell...it will be a stomach judgment
The Summar is pretty hazy when a flashlight is shined throu but it has very few scratches!
The Elmar is not so hazy but has alot scratches on the front element and dust spots inside.
The Summicron has just very few marks, is clear but shows yellowing (radioactive
)Summitar is very clear has nearly no scatches on the coating but as we discovered in a recent thread the front elements are separating!
J8 is clear with few scratches on the front Element
J3 is the same
Fed 50 is like new...no scratches or haze
Nokton is spotless (but the barrel is brassing heavy!!)
My impressions......The Nokton Blows them all technicaly, followed my the Summicron (which i prefer over the Nokton because of haptics and the feel to the drawing of the lens) then come the Summitar/Jupiter8 they are very close together I think (at least in the house pics).
The rest of the bunch deliver a techically lesser drawing but the character of some lenses is nice too! (plus there is nothing more funktional as the Elmar/Fed on a Leica IIIa)
Conclusion is that this test hasn´t helped me much in deciding which lens to sell...it will be a stomach judgment
matt fury
Well-known
I really like the way the Summitar performed here!
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after looking this over i can say that i'm happy i have a nokton on the way.
it seems to me that the nokton and the summitar are very close in rendition, very close.
it seems to me that the nokton and the summitar are very close in rendition, very close.
Macpod
Established
J8 is amazing regardless of price. J3 might have been a bad sample? i dunno.
thafred
silver addict
the nokton is a very fine performer a pitty that it isn´t smaller so I would take it out more! Then there´s your Cron 40 which I´m really hoping for beeing as good (or better as as the coll. at least)
The Summitar is one of my favorites at the moment...my test doesnt tell it all since Ive made no pics at smaller apertures (esp. the Elmar/fed should gain alot at f8-11) but at 11 or even 8 the Summitar draws very very sharp Pictures! the collapsible feature is a plus for me too and since the Bessa has no problem with this it makes a perfectly small package
Here´s a recent Summitar pic @f11 (APX100 Rodinal 1:100 / Focutar40 on Agfa Multigrade/ toned in Maco Sepia) sorry for the quality but my flatbed is 5years old and dirty but able of scanning A4 ok..the print looks very good with detail in the shadow areas:
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ampguy
Veteran
thanks for the test
thanks for the test
I was going to mention about your Summar, Fed, and Elmar samples... I like the Nokton, J8, and Summicron in your test photos.
thanks for the test
I was going to mention about your Summar, Fed, and Elmar samples... I like the Nokton, J8, and Summicron in your test photos.
thafred said:a few words on the condition of the lenses:
The Summar is pretty hazy when a flashlight is shined throu but it has very few scratches!
The Elmar is not so hazy but has alot scratches on the front element and dust spots inside.
The Summicron has just very few marks, is clear but shows yellowing (radioactive
Summitar is very clear has nearly no scatches on the coating but as we discovered in a recent thread the front elements are separating!
J8 is clear with few scratches on the front Element
J3 is the same
Fed 50 is like new...no scratches or haze
Nokton is spotless (but the barrel is brassing heavy!!)
My impressions......The Nokton Blows them all technicaly, followed my the Summicron (which i prefer over the Nokton because of haptics and the feel to the drawing of the lens) then come the Summitar/Jupiter8 they are very close together I think (at least in the house pics).
The rest of the bunch deliver a techically lesser drawing but the character of some lenses is nice too! (plus there is nothing more funktional as the Elmar/Fed on a Leica IIIa)
Conclusion is that this test hasn´t helped me much in deciding which lens to sell...it will be a stomach judgment
Justin Low
J for Justin
I agree. I'm keeping my J8 over a Summicron Rigid (which happens to be in the classifieds right now).
The difference in their performance is too slight to warrant keeping the more expensive lens. The other reason for me is that the J8 is smaller and much lighter.
The difference in their performance is too slight to warrant keeping the more expensive lens. The other reason for me is that the J8 is smaller and much lighter.
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perhaps this will be viewed as heresy but i am preferring the larger lenses lately.
i think perhaps my fingers are a bit more stiff these days and i find the smaller lenses harder to manipulate, especially on the cooler mornings that i am out shooting. winter should be fun.
i think perhaps my fingers are a bit more stiff these days and i find the smaller lenses harder to manipulate, especially on the cooler mornings that i am out shooting. winter should be fun.
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Rich Silfver
Guest
Interesting. Shows that Russian lenses are worse than Leitz glass regardess if they are made 20, 30 or 40 years later
RdEoSg
Well-known
I've been wondering which 50 to get someday. I think I am going to search out for a summitar. I really like the look in these! Thanx!
raid
Dad Photographer
thafred said:
The Summar and the Elmar are not shining stars either in the photos.
Raid
raid
Dad Photographer
Macpod said:
It is a known fact that manyJ-3 examples need some shimming to become sharp in focus. My J-3 is as sharp as other more expensive lenses by Leitz and Zeiss.
Raid
raid
Dad Photographer
Thanks for this test.
Thanks for this test.
Thanks for the test.
I enjoyed looking over the results.
I will keep my Summicron even though I have a sharp J-8 and a sharp J-3 since it is a classic.
Raid
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Lenses are:
Leitz Summicron Coll. 50/2 (1954 coated)
Leitz Summitar Coll. 50/2 (1949 coated)
Leitz Summar Coll. 50/2 (1938 not coated)
Leitz Elmar Coll. 50/3,5 (1937 not coated)
VC Nokton 50/1,5 (bought 2005 MC)
FSU Jupiter3 50/1,5 (1951 coated)
FSU Jupiter8 50/2 (1977 coated)
FSU Fed50 50/3,5 (no idea, looks new and coated)
Thanks for this test.
Thanks for the test.
I enjoyed looking over the results.
I will keep my Summicron even though I have a sharp J-8 and a sharp J-3 since it is a classic.
Raid
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Lenses are:
Leitz Summicron Coll. 50/2 (1954 coated)
Leitz Summitar Coll. 50/2 (1949 coated)
Leitz Summar Coll. 50/2 (1938 not coated)
Leitz Elmar Coll. 50/3,5 (1937 not coated)
VC Nokton 50/1,5 (bought 2005 MC)
FSU Jupiter3 50/1,5 (1951 coated)
FSU Jupiter8 50/2 (1977 coated)
FSU Fed50 50/3,5 (no idea, looks new and coated)
raid
Dad Photographer
thafred said:
Your Bokeh shots are also sharpness and contrast shots simply by being photos. Here, the J-3 looks better. Maybe your collapsible Summar is a bad example since I am quite happy with the performance of the rigid Summar lens that I own.
Raid
raid
Dad Photographer
Nachkebia said:nokton is the best
This is a situation where two lenses come out as winners; the Nokton and the Summicron. I slightly favor the performance of the Summicron here. Note that this is not the rigid Summicronwhich many view as sharper than its collapsible sibling. We are comparing a modern lens (2005) with a very old lens (1954).
Raid
thafred
silver addict
raid amin said:
Hi Raid,
My Jupiter 3 is very sharp as well but the focus shifts towards the camera on the right half of a frame! (in the shot of the building, the left part of the image is sharp and contrasty and the right part is blurred as if focused at 5m! the tree in front of my window which is slightly blurred with all lenses is sharp on the right with the J3...
I did the shimming myself and find it very easy to do when using a groundglass and 21 or 28 as a loupe....in the center my focus with bessa or M3 is spot on and when shooting closeup and wide open I naturaly can´t notice the effect... I guess the front or rear element is slightly tilted....looks like I need to buy another one!
Fred