Finder
Veteran
I have a Horseman 6x12 back for my 4x5 camera. It is a nice back. I perfer using roll film to sheet film. The Horseman has a lever advance and a mechanical stop and so does not use a little red window for trying to find the number on the paper back of the film. However, it is no substitute for my 6x12 camera, which I perfer as I can handhold it as well as being quicker to use.
The nice thing about 6x12, if you run a darkroom, is you only need a 4x5 enlarger. You need a 5x7 for 6x17. A 5x7 enlarger and the required 210mm enlarging lens are hard to come by.
The nice thing about 6x12, if you run a darkroom, is you only need a 4x5 enlarger. You need a 5x7 for 6x17. A 5x7 enlarger and the required 210mm enlarging lens are hard to come by.
raid
Dad Photographer
Finder: This is good advice. Thanks. It may be the least expensive route for me to get the 6x12 back for my Linhof. The Horseman back is costly.
Raid
Raid
Finder
Veteran
Yes, after the Linholf 6x12 back ($2000+), the Horseman comes in (a distant) second. The Chinese backs are the least expensive. I have never used one. It does use a little red window. I have never heard good or bad about them which would lead me to believe they do the job they are designed for. (But they are not a complex piece of equipment.)
raid
Dad Photographer
I need to check which focal length lens works and which does not with a 6x12 back. I have only one lens for my Linhof.
Finder
Veteran
Raid, any 4x5 lens will work with a 6x12 back. Unlike the 6x17 format back for a 4x5 camera, the 6x12 format fits the film gate - the 6x17 uses an extended film gate that can vignette focal lengths from about 180mm and up.
Matthew Runkel
Well-known
I have a Brooks Veriwide XL with the original 47/5.6 Super-Angulon. I replaced the large, leak-prone original back with a modern Horseman 6x9 back (this requires an adapter plate from the Graflex system). The result is a small and reliable package.
The original 47/5.6 Super-Angulon on the Veriwide is a stunning performer. Somewhere I have Schneider's calculated MTFs and they seem identical to those of the current Helvetar and Digitar. The 47/5.6 was recomputed at some point after lanthanum glass became unavailable. The 47/5.6 has more coverage than the 47/8 (just covers 6x12, I believe), so dark corners are less of an issue, although there is normal fall-off as with any wide-angle lens.
The original 47/5.6 Super-Angulon on the Veriwide is a stunning performer. Somewhere I have Schneider's calculated MTFs and they seem identical to those of the current Helvetar and Digitar. The 47/5.6 was recomputed at some point after lanthanum glass became unavailable. The 47/5.6 has more coverage than the 47/8 (just covers 6x12, I believe), so dark corners are less of an issue, although there is normal fall-off as with any wide-angle lens.
dazedgonebye
Veteran
I'm jealous of all these wide angle medium/large format cameras.
Abbazz
6x9 and be there!
Fuji G690 + 50mm lens: superb lens (21mm FOV equiv.), big negative, sturdy and easily handholdable camera.
You can crop 6x9 negatives to 28x84mm to get a 3:1 panoramic view without sacrificing image quality: a picture 50cm/20in. long will only require 6x enlargement.
Cheers,
Abbazz

You can crop 6x9 negatives to 28x84mm to get a 3:1 panoramic view without sacrificing image quality: a picture 50cm/20in. long will only require 6x enlargement.
Cheers,
Abbazz
rbiemer
Unabashed Amateur
I have a Kiev 60 and the Arsat 30mm, 180 deg. on 6x6. But it's huge, heavy, and not an RF camera.
I want one of these:
120C612 "MB".
Not an RF either but still trips my trigger!
Rob
I want one of these:
120C612 "MB".
Not an RF either but still trips my trigger!
Rob
Wow, Abbazz, that's quite a rig! Monster accessory viewfinder must be a pleasure to see through.
Abbazz
6x9 and be there!
Doug said:Wow, Abbazz, that's quite a rig! Monster accessory viewfinder must be a pleasure to see through.
Doug, there's quite a bit of distortion in the finder, but the picture is big and clear:

Cheers,
Abbazz
sleepyhead
Well-known
Hello, I have the older Brooks Veriwide 100 with 47/8 lens. The size of the image on film is 56 x 92 millimeters. The camera is amazingly compact for that size negative - smaller (less volume) than a Mamiya 6 with 75mm lens in collapsed position!
PHOTO24
Panoramanormal
Fotoman 617 with Super Angulon XL 90mm and Nikon 150 mm W
Roundshot 28-220
both wonderful tools in their field !
cheers
Sven
Roundshot 28-220
both wonderful tools in their field !
cheers
Sven
sjw617
Panoramist
I have a Linhof 617s with a Schneider 90mm f/5.6 Super Angulon. It is a manual camera - no meter or batteries. Heavy but rock solid construction and makes awesome transparencies.
Steve
Steve
raid
Dad Photographer
I could find a 50mm lens for my GL690, I would be set.
Raid
Raid
ChrisPlatt
Thread Killer
Are there any *folding* MF cameras with WA lens?
If not, what rigid model is the most compact?
TIA,
Chris
If not, what rigid model is the most compact?
TIA,
Chris
Chris, I think the 55mm wide-lens version of the Plaubel Makina 67 meets that criteria.
Then both the Fuji GA645 (60mm lens) and GA645W (45mm lens) extend their lenses to shooting position when turned on, and collapse them automatically when turned off, making for a fairly flat package.
But over all smaller I think are the two previous non-folding Fuji GS645S and GS645W models, no collapsing, yet very light and compact to carry. Same 60 and 45mm focal lengths, but this 45 is slower at f/5.6 and it's scale focus only. I think FrankS has the latter, and I have the former as well as a GA645Wi.
There's some more useful info here: http://members.aol.com/dcolucci/fujirf.htm
Then both the Fuji GA645 (60mm lens) and GA645W (45mm lens) extend their lenses to shooting position when turned on, and collapse them automatically when turned off, making for a fairly flat package.
But over all smaller I think are the two previous non-folding Fuji GS645S and GS645W models, no collapsing, yet very light and compact to carry. Same 60 and 45mm focal lengths, but this 45 is slower at f/5.6 and it's scale focus only. I think FrankS has the latter, and I have the former as well as a GA645Wi.
There's some more useful info here: http://members.aol.com/dcolucci/fujirf.htm
x-ray
Veteran
My wife gave me one of the shen hao 6x12 backs a year ago and it's excellent and cheap.
raid
Dad Photographer
x-ray said:My wife gave me one of the shen hao 6x12 backs a year ago and it's excellent and cheap.
x-ray: what is the cost?
raid
smudwhisk
Established
I've just acquired a GW690 from KEH which I'm itching to get to try. It was a BGN but, apart from the bad dent in the filter ring, it seems in immaculate condition. Need to really try it this weekend in case its got any other issues.
Question for anyone, any ideas what size lens cap would fit over the lens since the filter ring is so bent in one place that there is no chance of getting a filter or screw-in cap on it at all?? I'm tempted to see if I can knock out the dent at all, I'm just hoping it doesn't affect the edge of the photos, hopefully not.
If its OK, my 135W RFH back for my SQA may be going back on Ebay since I've just sold my 40mm lens as was hardly using it - and before the prices drop any further!! I also have a Bronica RF645 and 45mm lens, which is a great combination, albeit on 6x4.5 but takes great photos.
Question for anyone, any ideas what size lens cap would fit over the lens since the filter ring is so bent in one place that there is no chance of getting a filter or screw-in cap on it at all?? I'm tempted to see if I can knock out the dent at all, I'm just hoping it doesn't affect the edge of the photos, hopefully not.
If its OK, my 135W RFH back for my SQA may be going back on Ebay since I've just sold my 40mm lens as was hardly using it - and before the prices drop any further!! I also have a Bronica RF645 and 45mm lens, which is a great combination, albeit on 6x4.5 but takes great photos.
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