raid
Dad Photographer
Since my "new" Contax IIIa is being repaired, and I will get back a fully functioning camera, I need a good tip which 35mm-50mm lens to buy, along with estimated cost. While I favor 50mm lenses, I am open to suggestions.
Is the Zeiss Jena Opton 50/1.5 a good choice or is the 50mm/2 a better choice?
Raid
Is the Zeiss Jena Opton 50/1.5 a good choice or is the 50mm/2 a better choice?
Raid
darkkavenger
Massimiliano Mortillaro
Hello Raid, I would definitely go for the 50/1.5 version. I own a pre-war 50/2 Sonnar, a great lens in all accounts, but I seldom use it because my 50/1.5 Jupiter-3 allows me to take photos in almost all light conditions.
It is no secret of course that I crave after a Zeiss Opton Sonnar 50/1.5 T.
And thanks to f2eyelevel for this important information about the late "Carl Zeiss" version. I was unaware of this and it will certainly help me when I'll be up for purchasing a 50/1.5 Sonnar.
It is no secret of course that I crave after a Zeiss Opton Sonnar 50/1.5 T.
And thanks to f2eyelevel for this important information about the late "Carl Zeiss" version. I was unaware of this and it will certainly help me when I'll be up for purchasing a 50/1.5 Sonnar.
Meleica
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darkkavenger
Massimiliano Mortillaro
Meleica said:
I think I visit your page too much everyday....
Paul T.
Veteran
I think the trick is to buy a Helios-103 or a Jupiter 8 for now, and really take your time to buy a nice Zeiss Opton. They go for a wide range of prices, and it's really worth waiting until you find a seller you can trust.
I owned the Zeiss Opton 50/1.5 - a wonderful lens. But I was blown away by the quality of even the cheapo Jupiter 8M on my first Kiev - sharp and creamy, an absolutely classic look. The early 50s ones performed just as well, but I could never quite believe how well that cheapo 70s Russian performed. As Brian will attest with far more expertise than I, the Contax mount Jupiters seem more reliable/consistent than the LTM ones.
I've compensated myself for the sale of my Zeiss with an ealry Jupiter 3 that Max found... now that my CL is damaged, and my M3 is lost in the post, I'm slumming it with my Kiev II as my only working RF. And looking forward to it...
I owned the Zeiss Opton 50/1.5 - a wonderful lens. But I was blown away by the quality of even the cheapo Jupiter 8M on my first Kiev - sharp and creamy, an absolutely classic look. The early 50s ones performed just as well, but I could never quite believe how well that cheapo 70s Russian performed. As Brian will attest with far more expertise than I, the Contax mount Jupiters seem more reliable/consistent than the LTM ones.
I've compensated myself for the sale of my Zeiss with an ealry Jupiter 3 that Max found... now that my CL is damaged, and my M3 is lost in the post, I'm slumming it with my Kiev II as my only working RF. And looking forward to it...
darkkavenger
Massimiliano Mortillaro
Paul, I'm eager to see the results from this J3
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
I have both a good jupiter 8 and a good zeiss opton sonnar 50/2, and while the build quality of the latter is definitely much better, optically there is NO difference between them. Not wide open and not stopped down.
raid
Dad Photographer
So a J-8 is the lens to get now, while I will keep my eyes open for a post-war Zeiss Opton T.
Thanks for the useful tips.
Raid
Thanks for the useful tips.
Raid
micromontenegro
Well-known
The post war West German 1.5 Sonnar is one of the two good reasons I made the Contax my primary RF system. The other is the 21mm Biogon, but that's another story
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
get a Helios 103 Raid, nice lens at a super low price from the FSU.
later on add some Zeiss glass.
later on add some Zeiss glass.
shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Stephanie Brim
Mental Experimental.
Now that I have the Sonnar and it's working nicely, I'm not going to use my Helios 103. If you'd like it, Raid, let me know. It's a good lens and there's no reason it should just sit around.
furcafe
Veteran
For 35mm lenses, the 35/2.5 W-Nikkor is a great lens (it's been discussed a few times in the Nikon RF part of this site) & probably the most affordable vintage lens. The Jupiter 35mm & the pre-WWII/post WWII Jena Biogons won't fit on your IIIa & the other 35mm lenses that will fit (CZJ 35/2.8 Biometar, Z-O/CZ 35/2.8 Biogon & 35/3.5 Planar, 35/1.8 w-Nikkor, tend to be expensive--for thes ame amounte of money, you could get the modern CV 35/2.5, which is almost certainly a fine lens (but I have no experience w/it).
For a 50mm lens, you can't go wrong w/the post-WWII Zeiss 50mm Sonnars. IME, the E. German lenses are just as nice optically as the W. German ones, but the build-quality isn't as nice (aluminum/alloy instead of chrome+ brass barrels). If you get desperate for a Sonnar, send me an email & I can sell you 1 of mine.
Another option is to get the CV Prominent-to-Contax RF adapter (Gandy may still have some) & use the Nokton from a Prominent (I think you have 1, but if not, they're pretty inexpensive).
For a 50mm lens, you can't go wrong w/the post-WWII Zeiss 50mm Sonnars. IME, the E. German lenses are just as nice optically as the W. German ones, but the build-quality isn't as nice (aluminum/alloy instead of chrome+ brass barrels). If you get desperate for a Sonnar, send me an email & I can sell you 1 of mine.
Another option is to get the CV Prominent-to-Contax RF adapter (Gandy may still have some) & use the Nokton from a Prominent (I think you have 1, but if not, they're pretty inexpensive).
darkkavenger
Massimiliano Mortillaro
Raid, a 50/2 pre-war Sonnar has its charms too
raid
Dad Photographer
Patrick: Do you have an "extra" lens to spare?
Raid
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Dad Photographer
Brian Sweeney said:
Brian: Stephanie is so kind to be willing to sell me her Helios, but you informed me that the Menopta and the Helios are similar ... unless I misunderstood you.
Raid
raid
Dad Photographer
What is killing me is the fact that I sold for $225 a beautiful Contax IIa with an Opton 50/1.5 a few years ago. I did not want to be "side tracked" from Leica.
Raid
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raid
Dad Photographer
Thank you Brian. Thank you Stephanie for the offer.
Raid
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Dad Photographer
xayraa33 said:
I am getting a Menopta, which is like the Helios.
Raid
outfitter
Well-known
I have J-3s and J-8s love them and use them all the time. Nevertheless I have never seen a Soviet copy that equaled the f2/50mm or f1.5/50mm Sonnar - this of course is entirely my own opinion.. Even among the real Sonnars there are good and better examples - best to try the lens if you can. The f1.5/50mm tends to be the more desirable for a few reasons but I have at least one f2/50mm Sonnar that is extraordinary.
I'm not quite certain there is a useful distinction between the Opton and the late CZ f1.5/50mm Sonnar. True there is that separation problem but Henry Scherer often can fix that - I bought one with separation for about $50 and even though Henry couldn't do a perfect job (and charged me only $25 as a result) the lens is outstanding. Opton lenses have their share of problems as the factory workers were not particularly skilled or experienced in the early days (chipped or decentered elements are not unknown) and there were a number of design changes to the internal construction to solve deficiencies in holding the elements in place and/or the disassembly of the lens.
If you add to the cost an overhaul by Henry (he frequently can be persuaded to do lens work in a few weeks rather than years), Ken Ruth or Dan Goldberg (DAG) you will have a cleaned, centered, lubes and properly collimated lens - only then can you appreciate the full potential of the classic lenses.
Aside from the 21mm Biogon which I have a long standing love affair with (partially romanticism but hell that's part of the fun of classic cameras) the post-war West German 35mm Biogon is a real winner - noticeably better than the pre-war and the CZJ postwar coated version of the prewar (and that was a great lens as is the J-12) In fact I would buy a J-12 to hold me until I could get the West German lens. BTW I had dissappointing results with both a white early J-12 and the late black one until someone told me to use the white one on early Kievs and the black ones on later - whether true or not it worked very well for me and both lenses are really quite good.
The Helios is a double gauss formula which is basiclly a copy of the CZJ Biotar; a good modernish lens somewhat susceptible to flair - great value for the money but without the special visual character of the Sonnar. If you like the Sonnar go for it, if you prefer a Summicron the Helios may be for you. At the price of the Helios you can afford to use both.
Michael
I'm not quite certain there is a useful distinction between the Opton and the late CZ f1.5/50mm Sonnar. True there is that separation problem but Henry Scherer often can fix that - I bought one with separation for about $50 and even though Henry couldn't do a perfect job (and charged me only $25 as a result) the lens is outstanding. Opton lenses have their share of problems as the factory workers were not particularly skilled or experienced in the early days (chipped or decentered elements are not unknown) and there were a number of design changes to the internal construction to solve deficiencies in holding the elements in place and/or the disassembly of the lens.
If you add to the cost an overhaul by Henry (he frequently can be persuaded to do lens work in a few weeks rather than years), Ken Ruth or Dan Goldberg (DAG) you will have a cleaned, centered, lubes and properly collimated lens - only then can you appreciate the full potential of the classic lenses.
Aside from the 21mm Biogon which I have a long standing love affair with (partially romanticism but hell that's part of the fun of classic cameras) the post-war West German 35mm Biogon is a real winner - noticeably better than the pre-war and the CZJ postwar coated version of the prewar (and that was a great lens as is the J-12) In fact I would buy a J-12 to hold me until I could get the West German lens. BTW I had dissappointing results with both a white early J-12 and the late black one until someone told me to use the white one on early Kievs and the black ones on later - whether true or not it worked very well for me and both lenses are really quite good.
The Helios is a double gauss formula which is basiclly a copy of the CZJ Biotar; a good modernish lens somewhat susceptible to flair - great value for the money but without the special visual character of the Sonnar. If you like the Sonnar go for it, if you prefer a Summicron the Helios may be for you. At the price of the Helios you can afford to use both.
Michael