Archiving Negatives? Better binder?

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I currently have a few thousand film negatives in Printfile pages and "workbox" 3 ring plasting binder-boxes. Since I don't drag my negatives to and from a chemical darkroom anymore, I'd prefere a different style of storage for my negatives to the clunky workboxes.

I'm also starting to scan all the negs using my Minolta 5700 scanner--low res for most, full res for the 'keepers', so my storage solution should be readily accessible--not meant for the vault.

What are you using?
 
I have some old, acid free fiber based 3 ring binders. I keep these inside an acid free cardboard box. It's easy to take out to see and use them, yet perfectly protected when in storage.
 
I use archival acid-free binder-in-a-box I'm pretty sure came from Light Impressions. I have used plain office 3-ring binders in the past, but they're not so good in keeping out lint and dust.
 
Ah, I love this topic. For some reason, actually, I've been obsessed with it. Some of the details I give below are also covered in this older RFF thread.

For a long while, I was archiving proof prints and negs in Safekeeper 3-ring locking binders from pfile. I have about ten of them, mostly full of prints.

That was fine for awhile, but I realized that I was having problems with efficient storage - the Safekeeper is pretty much the wrong size for a lot of things, namely 36-frame negative storage with sleeves and storing 4x6 proofs in a 2x2 configuration. That's what I was needing, so I had to find another solution.

Enter the Imagesafe binder. Taller and slightly wider, this is the perfect solution for storing negatives. I've found that I can fit up to ~30 or so pages of 7 strips of 5 frames, sleeved, with no problem and no crushing. Of course, I realize that "7 strips of 5 frames each" isn't your standard method; I actually use Filmguard's PL24920 pages, which store 6-frame strips, and I cut them down by an inch to fit. You could also use Printfile's Ultima series, but I believe you get more efficient storage with the Filmguard stuff.

Here's an older pnet thread on a similar topic, although the poster was looking for a storage solution for 6-wide negative pages.

As for storing prints, that's another story if you're interested. Check out this RFF thread for some related details. The short of it is this: I have not been able to find, anywhere, an enclosed binder that will store 4x6 proofs in a 2x2 array. Call me stubborn.

Anyway, sorry for the long-winded prattle. Hope it's interesting.


Cheers,
--joe.
 
Hello, could anyone provide a link to such items ? I don't really know how these things look like, and I might want to purchase some to archive my negatives before moving back to French Riviera (in 3 weeks!). Thanks very much in advance!
Max
 
Hi Max,

so no more Czech Republic for you?

Fotoimpex in Berlin (catalog, p. 25) is selling archival negative sleeves for relatively low prices, which have perforations for 2-ring, 3-ring and 4-ring binders. They also sell acidfree storage boxes, but I tend just to store them in regular folders. There are acetate versions, which are clear and allow doing contact prints through, and pergamine versions, which are not but which are permeable to moisture. Price is 20 cents for the pergamine sleeves (or 17 EUR for a pack of 100), 37 cents for the acetate sleeves (or 27 EUR for a pack of 100). They have different medium format versions, too.

Philipp
 
This is an interesting thread because although I use 'pro sleeves' I'm not sure they are the best solution.

I mat and frame artwork and as an amateur framer who is serious about the topic I know that there are many variables to framing. Acid free mats, UV protective glass, mounting styles etc.

What I’m wondering is how negatives are impacted by being in contact with the plastic storage sleeves. I’ve seen old LP’s stored in ‘archival paper/plastic’ sleeves and they have adhered to the LPs! Not only that but they leave marks on the LP vinyl surface. Not good. So I’m suspicious of “pro quality” however I don’t have anything better to benchmark my storage.

Have any of you done more research on the long term effect of vinyl sleeves on the negatives or transparencies?
 
My beef with the printfile sheets is that it's such a tight fit for the film. It takes a bit of manipulation to get a row of 6 frames in.
 
ibcrewin said:
My beef with the printfile sheets is that it's such a tight fit for the film. It takes a bit of manipulation to get a row of 6 frames in.
These are high quality, but familiarization helps, as well as clipping off a tiny bit of the two leading corners of the strip of film, helping the strip slide in smoothly.
 
I've used Kenro 4 ring folders in both 135 and 120 for years without any real problems; probably not the best, the negs slip sideways if you knock them, but I have too many now to change to anything else.
 
jan normandale said:
What I’m wondering is how negatives are impacted by being in contact with the plastic storage sleeves. I’ve seen old LP’s stored in ‘archival paper/plastic’ sleeves and they have adhered to the LPs! Not only that but they leave marks on the LP vinyl surface. Not good. So I’m suspicious of “pro quality” however I don’t have anything better to benchmark my storage.

Have any of you done more research on the long term effect of vinyl sleeves on the negatives or transparencies?



Jan,

I have had neg and slide film in plastic sleeves for over 25 years and have had no problems or damaged film...the only problem that has come up is that some of the older sleeves have fallen apart and had to be replaced...
My film files are stored in the downstairs office closet and for the most part kept from excess heat...I currently use "PrintFile" sleeves...
 
Thanks for all the replies and info.

I have to echo the post about clipping the corners of the film before inserting the film strip into the PrintFile pages. It's tedious, but very worth it.
 
I think the plastic neg sleeve pages I use are called PrintFile. The corresponding contact print is interleaved with the PrintFile pages in regular binders. I keep the 35mm and MF negs in separate binders.

Right now I've got many sleeved neg pages waiting to be contact printed and a bunch of films to be developed.
 
Sam, I use print file sleeves too. They even say "archival" on them. I guess that I've become a very cynical consumer. Every label these days has to be read like you are a law school professor or in the 'debating society' .. ie "fruit like taste" or"juicy drink" all meaning there is next to none of the stated ingredient in the product, but you get the impression there is.

So "archival" means little to me anymore. Your comments mean more than a product monograph, thanks for sharing your experiences.
 
This is an old thread but I thought I'd bump it. I just started using a 1.5" PrintFile workbox and I love it. It doesn't seem clunky to me at all, I love how everything is contained. I have the B&W negs sleeved with a contact sheet and the CD inserts with the scans. It's filled up pretty fast and I'm looking at getting some more. Are the 2.5" too big? Does anyone buy the coloured ones and colour code their work?
 
I use Clear File "Archival Elite Finest Museum Quality" sleeves (7 strips of 5) and whatever binder is around. I'm not sure how much I buy the archival designation but I find them to be stiffer than the regular version of the sleeves because they use thicker plastic. On cheaper, flimsier sleeeves, the edges of the film tends to poke the plastic on the way in. These are less flexible.

I shoot off the first two shot on my roll and start at frame 2 so I make sure that I only shoot 35 frames per roll.

If the negatives are in sleeves why does the binder itself matter? Lately I've gotten some recycled cardboard binders but most of my negs are in cheap vinyl covered three ring binders. If I'm going to scan the negs, they get dusted anyway so dust getting in doesn't bother me, it's going to happen no matter what. That's what that magic Photoshop tool is for.
 
Yeah, I guess the binder doesn't REALLY matter. At the very least the locking tabs keep my 3 year old out of it... FOR NOW 😀

I agree with cutting the corners off to put the negs in the sleeves easier except no matter how careful I am my wife always finds little black triangles all over the house 😀
 
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