CCRR152
Newbie
I have a Bessa R3A camera and want a wide angle lens but do not know which to choose. I am considering the 15/4.5 ASPH Super Wide Heliar or the 21mm/4 P Color-Skopar. Which has the better performance, usage, and practicality for landscape photography?
chrishayton
Well-known
The 21 Vignettes less. Both are very sharp stopped down. I've owned and used both extensively and preferred the 21mm. 15mm is VERY wide, perhaps too wide for most landscape shots.
The 21mm M Mount I had is a lovely handling lens too, with a big focus tab
The 21mm M Mount I had is a lovely handling lens too, with a big focus tab
John Robertson
Well-known
15 is more challenging to use, but superb results. I've never really fallen in love with my 21 or 25 
ferider
Veteran
Both are great lenses.
But: you might rethink the requirement for landscape photography. I find longer lenses much more useful.
But: you might rethink the requirement for landscape photography. I find longer lenses much more useful.
tic
Established
For landscape I'd get the 21. I use my 15 for architecture and special effects, mostly in urban settings.
back alley
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i agree with rollei, go for something longer - like a cv 75.
of the 2 that you are asking about, i would go with the 21 as it is much easier to work with.
of the 2 that you are asking about, i would go with the 21 as it is much easier to work with.
CCRR152
Newbie
Thanks for the replies. I think the 21mm is the one I will buy; it does not requie a separate view finder and is what I have in my Nikon SLR system. I will look at the 75mm and 90mm lenses for the tele application.
leica M2 fan
Veteran
I think the 21mm is the one I will buy; it does not require a separate view finder ...
With the R3A I believe you will need a separate 21mm VF. With the R4* you don't.
With the R3A I believe you will need a separate 21mm VF. With the R4* you don't.
Tim Gray
Well-known
I find that the 15 is more fun. But in a novelty manner. It's a *lot* of fun though. I don't get *that* many great shots with it, but I do get a few nice ones. However, I think I ultimately get a larger number of better shots with a 21. But I also get a larger number of crappy shots with the 21. With the 15 I'm consistently mediocre 
back alley
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I find that the 15 is more fun. But in a novelty manner. It's a *lot* of fun though. I don't get *that* many great shots with it, but I do get a few nice ones. However, I think I ultimately get a larger number of better shots with a 21. But I also get a larger number of crappy shots with the 21. With the 15 I'm consistently mediocre![]()
interesting...some of my favourite shots were done with the 15 on my rd1 and some of my worst as well.
dmc
Bessa Driver
My 15 vignettes a lot. Also am with the long lens crowd when it comes to landscape. Best of luck.
jan normandale
Film is the other way
The 21 Vignettes less. Both are very sharp stopped down. I've owned and used both extensively and preferred the 21mm. 15mm is VERY wide, perhaps too wide for most landscape shots.
The 21mm M Mount I had is a lovely handling lens too, with a big focus tab
what he wrote... 21
kxl
Social Documentary
A 21mm is more useful on a day to day basis, especially if it's your only WA lens. A 15mm adds drama, especially for near-far compositions. If I were you, I'd get the 21mm first, and if you later think that you need wider, then get a 15mm.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Try the 15 for at least two rolls of film before you buy it.
I got the 21 instead, it's still very, very wide and is much more practical on a day-to-day basis.
I got the 21 instead, it's still very, very wide and is much more practical on a day-to-day basis.
Thanks for the replies. I think the 21mm is the one I will buy; it does not requie a separate view finder ...
How is that when you are using it with the R3a (widest frameline = 40mm)?
giangio
Newbie
15 is more challenging to use, but superb results. I've never really fallen in love with my 21 or 25![]()
Does the CV 15mm mount properly on your FED 2? I really like the lens but I read about some problems mounting it on the FED 2.
mnmleung
Established
Does the CV 15mm mount properly on your FED 2? I really like the lens but I read about some problems mounting it on the FED 2.
I had trouble on FED 2 and Zorki 1. Sorry I don't have a photo to show the problem with FED 2, and I do not have the lens anymore.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mnmleung/3014557881/in/set-72157594496068171
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
Does the CV 15mm mount properly on your FED 2? I really like the lens but I read about some problems mounting it on the FED 2.
It may sit minimally diagonally, depending on where the thread exit sits. This problem can arise with LTM cameras in general, not just FEDs - it's one of the advantages of the M bayonet that there is a well-defined rotational orientation.
In practice, it's unlikely to be a problem. On all Soviet LTM cameras that I own, the offset is less than a millimeters off the center mark.
If it sat 30° off or something, the built-in "hood" would intrude into the frame, but I haven't yet seen a camera where that happens (it would happen with any lens on such a camera).
bigeye
Well-known
I had trouble on FED 2 and Zorki 1. Sorry I don't have a photo to show the problem with FED 2, and I do not have the lens anymore.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mnmleung/3014557881/in/set-72157594496068171
The plastic VF that comes with the lens was very close to the speed control on the IIIf, so I got the metal one, which is taller and took care of the problem.
The mount 'timing' should not matter - the focusing cam is not used with the 15mm. It's not rangefinder coupled. 21mm is coupled.
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kpembo
Member
I had a problem on my FSU FED 3 with the 21mm when I set the lens to the nearest focus while changing lenses (normal practice with FSU cameras as it makes it easier to install a lens). The "notch" in the 21mm lens mount (allows rangefinder to follow at less than 0.9m) caught the pie shaped rangefinder follower and disturbed the adjustment. So, contrary to normal practice of racking the lens out to nearest focus, you should not with this lens or other lenses with a similar cutout.
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