50 f0.95 near focussing

Robin Harrison

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I have an M-mount converted 50mm f/0.95 lens that I've been trying out on my M8. I love the combination of the perspective and the limited depth of field, but have had focussing problems. I bought a 1.25 magnifier to try and aid things, but I've concluded that the problem is that the lens is near-focussing. In pretty much every shot, the flane of focus is nearer than I intended.

Is if possible to change the lens-camera rangefinder configuration somehow? Does it need to be professionally calibrated? Can anyone recommend somewhere in the UK that provides that service? Thank.
 
When the Canon 50mm f/0.95 is converted to M-mount it is calibrated to the supplied camera. What this means is you send the camera along with a wide angle lens to the person doing the conversion. He then checks both wide lens and camera to see if body focus is correct as this is highly critical for this fast lens and for wide angle lenses.

If you use this lens on another body correct body focus may not be correct.

I am having this done as of now by Ken Ruth of Photography on Bald Mountain..
 
In addition to Colyn's warning, which in my experience is quite correct, I'd also add that I've noticed that many Canon lenses seem to front-focus slightly when used on non-Canon cameras.

Recently I came across some information in a reprint of a Canon factory service manual which seems to suggest that Canon used slightly different estimates for film curl and thickness than Leica did; this easily could cause small focus disparities between Canon and non-Canon bodies, although these disparities probably wouldn't have shown up except with ultra-wide-aperture lenses. (This wouldn't have been an issue for the 50/0.95 'back in the day,' since its special breech-lock mount precluded its use on anything but a Canon body!)

Anyway, the upshot, as Colyn said, is that you shouldn't be surprised if you need to have your M-converted lens custom-tailored for optimum results on a specific camera body.

I had front-focusing on a 50/0.95 that I had converted for use on my Epson R-D 1 camera, and was able to match it to the body by slightly thinning down the lens' "collimation shim" -- an internal brass ring that determines the depth of the optical section in the focusing mount. I measured the amount of front-focus by taking test pictures of a metric ruler, then used standard focus-extension equations to determine how much closer to the body the lens would need to be moved for correct focus.

Then I removed the optical section from the focusing mount (easy thanks to the modular construction of Canon 50s), extracted the collimation shim, and thinned it by rubbing it against fine abrasive paper on a flat surface. To avoid overshooting the mark, I'd measure the thickness periodically with a digital caliper, and would stop frequently to reassemble the lens and make more test pictures to "creep up" on the correct adjustment. (Obviously this is easier with an R-D 1 than a film camera, since you can view the test shots immediately on the camera LCD at high magnification.)

Other than getting bloody fingertips (the edges of the collimation shim get sharp once you start rubbing it) I didn't have any problems doing this, and the payoff was significantly better full-aperture performance of my camera-and-lens combo. However, if you're not comfortable with delicate tinkering, or can't stand the sight of your own blood, it's surely a better bet to send your camera body and lens off to an optical technician and let him/her suffer, as Colyn is doing.

Incidentally, the amount of "thinning" required was on the order of a couple of hundredths of a millimeter, so you can see the level of precision required (and the level of care Canon needed during the original assembly!)

PS -- Another Canon golden oldie enjoying renewed popularity among the RFF faithful is the 50/1.2; if you try out one of these on an M-mount camera via a screw-to-bayonet adapter, don't be surprised if you find that it, too, front-focuses a bit and would benefit from custom calibration of the collimation shim. You might think you could do it by thinning down the screw-to-bayo adapter, but that won't work -- it would just move both the optical section AND the RF coupling tab together, which would change BOTH the rangefinder-indicated focus point AND the lens' optical focus. What you need to do to cure front- or back-focusing is change the optical focus point relative to the rangefinder focus point, which requires changing the relationship between the optical section and the RF coupling tab.
 
Slightly OT - I have a Canon 50/0.95 TV lens that was converted to M-mount by a gentleman in NY who is adept at this modification. This TV lens mod does not suffer the close-focus trouble that Robin is experiencing, which I understand is common with the conversion from the Canon 7 bayonet. On my Hexar RF, M6 and ZI this lens has no focus issues. Victor trades on eBay as "38333" and is currently listing a Canon FL 55/1.2 that he has modified for M-mount. I am SORELY TEMPTED!

- John
 
jlw said:
In addition to Colyn's warning, which in my experience is quite correct, I'd also add that I've noticed that many Canon lenses seem to front-focus slightly when used on non-Canon cameras.

Recently I came across some information in a reprint of a Canon factory service manual which seems to suggest that Canon used slightly different estimates for film curl and thickness than Leica did; this easily could cause small focus disparities between Canon and non-Canon bodies, although these disparities probably wouldn't have shown up except with ultra-wide-aperture lenses. (This wouldn't have been an issue for the 50/0.95 'back in the day,' since its special breech-lock mount precluded its use on anything but a Canon body!)

Anyway, the upshot, as Colyn said, is that you shouldn't be surprised if you need to have your M-converted lens custom-tailored for optimum results on a specific camera body.

I had front-focusing on a 50/0.95 that I had converted for use on my Epson R-D 1 camera, and was able to match it to the body by slightly thinning down the lens' "collimation shim" -- an internal brass ring that determines the depth of the optical section in the focusing mount. I measured the amount of front-focus by taking test pictures of a metric ruler, then used standard focus-extension equations to determine how much closer to the body the lens would need to be moved for correct focus.

Then I removed the optical section from the focusing mount (easy thanks to the modular construction of Canon 50s), extracted the collimation shim, and thinned it by rubbing it against fine abrasive paper on a flat surface. To avoid overshooting the mark, I'd measure the thickness periodically with a digital caliper, and would stop frequently to reassemble the lens and make more test pictures to "creep up" on the correct adjustment. (Obviously this is easier with an R-D 1 than a film camera, since you can view the test shots immediately on the camera LCD at high magnification.)

Other than getting bloody fingertips (the edges of the collimation shim get sharp once you start rubbing it) I didn't have any problems doing this, and the payoff was significantly better full-aperture performance of my camera-and-lens combo. However, if you're not comfortable with delicate tinkering, or can't stand the sight of your own blood, it's surely a better bet to send your camera body and lens off to an optical technician and let him/her suffer, as Colyn is doing.

Incidentally, the amount of "thinning" required was on the order of a couple of hundredths of a millimeter, so you can see the level of precision required (and the level of care Canon needed during the original assembly!)

PS -- Another Canon golden oldie enjoying renewed popularity among the RFF faithful is the 50/1.2; if you try out one of these on an M-mount camera via a screw-to-bayonet adapter, don't be surprised if you find that it, too, front-focuses a bit and would benefit from custom calibration of the collimation shim. You might think you could do it by thinning down the screw-to-bayo adapter, but that won't work -- it would just move both the optical section AND the RF coupling tab together, which would change BOTH the rangefinder-indicated focus point AND the lens' optical focus. What you need to do to cure front- or back-focusing is change the optical focus point relative to the rangefinder focus point, which requires changing the relationship between the optical section and the RF coupling tab.

Wow. This is the sort of thing I just wouldn't trust myself with! Obviously there's an amazing amount of precision involved! If we're talking hundreths of millimeters, then we're talking sub film-thicknesses! I wonder if on a multi-layer colour film you could end up with an in-focus image on one layer, and out of focus on another.

Anyway...presumably a calibrated lens would work line on most M bodies, would it not? Follow-up question: I don't suppose you had so much fun calibrating one of these you want to calibrate another, do you? 🙂

Another thought: Could a similar effect be achieved by adding thickness to the RF coupler?
 
Leitz recommended you send the M body back when you bought a noctilux f/1.0 to have the body registration set exactly to nominal, and one assumes the rngfdr re-calibrated again.

Noel
 
I have a slight front focussing with my 1.5/85 too close focus, and probably my 0.95/50 is a bit off too, whereas the 1.4/50 is very precise.

I should do a couple of test shots at foot rules or similar targets at different distances (say, close focus, 2m, 5m and infinity) with these high speed lenses, both at full opening and f/2.8 to sort out focus-shift. Every serious lens evaluation should be based on that physics.

What I'm not sure about is the behavior of old-times photojournalists how to act with these lenses (assumed that it was a just some 100's people who actually have *used* any 1.5/85 lenses for real work in these times). I cannot believe all these lenses focussed correctly out of the box. (Too many complaints "unable to focus a Summarex" out there...) Maybe theses guys focussed via rangefinder, then corrected a few degrees manually to their experience with a special lens?

About changing the shim, I fear to make it even worse at medium distances and/or make it impossible to focus at infinity -- although Jim has shown with his RD-1 pictures at the ballet that a well adjusted 0.95/50 is a fine lens, and most complaints on bad quality of the 0.95/50mm probably based on focussing/adjusting errors -- not made by professionals, but lazy amateurs like me who don't care about evaluating each lens.
And probably the 1.2/50mm - even more a "amateur lens" than the 0.95/50 - behaves very similar since both optical designs are like twins.

regards, Frank
 
Sonnar2 said:
What I'm not sure about is the behavior of old-times photojournalists how to act with these lenses (assumed that it was a just some 100's people who actually have *used* any 1.5/85 lenses for real work in these times). I cannot believe all these lenses focussed correctly out of the box. (Too many complaints "unable to focus a Summarex" out there...) Maybe theses guys focussed via rangefinder, then corrected a few degrees manually to their experience with a special lens?

I've read books by some people who pioneered low-light photography back in the '30s (Merlyn Severn being one example.) You have to remember that this was an era in which a good camera or lens was unbelievably expensive compared to what most people earned, and consequently dealers and distributors could afford to be extremely service-oriented to the few people (rich folks or professionals) who could buy their equipment.

Common practice, apparently, was to do one of two things:

-- Borrow about a half-dozen examples of a lens, try them all on your camera, buy the one that worked best, and return the rest of them.

-- Buy one example and then have the manufacturer, distributor or dealer have an in-house technician hand-calibrate it for best results with your favorite camera.

I wouldn't have been able to afford to be a photographer back then, but for those who could, those were the days...
 
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