50 mm color skopar versus Nokton !

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Is there a big difference, in terms of quality, between the color-skopar and the Nokton for the 50mm ?
I mean i'm interested by the color skopar because it seems less "bigger" than the Nokton but maybe sharpness is less...I'm not looking for big aperture but sharp picture !
thanks for all.
 
I don't have the Color Skopar 50, but I do have the Color Skopar 28. They are similar in size and the 28 is sharp as a tack. I have no problems with the 28 except that I can't use orange or red filters with b&w C41 film. It increases the contrast too much, or at least for the processors. I love it and have looked at the 50, but I have a Jupiter 3, 8 and an Industar 50. So do I need another 50?
 
i have the 35 color-skopar

i have the 35 color-skopar

Thank-you.

Me too i have the 35 color-skopar and i think that is a good lens, sharp, contrast enough.

But do you think that the 50 color-kopar has the same quality ?
 
I have heard it is as well built as the other Color Skopars, so I have no reason to doubt that it is as good.:)
 
I've got the 50mm color skopar f2.5. No problems with it at all.

In terms of image quality, there isn't much in it between the f2.5 and the f1.5. The f1.5 is considerably larger than the f2.5. Having said that I use the LH-2 lens hood with mine most of the time, which brings the size up a bit.

some say the f2.5 is better suited to portraiture as it is a slightly 'kinder' lens. I find that the 2.5 gives a slightly silky look... The sort of thing that you see in many medium format lenses.

I can't comment on the 1.5 as I've never used it. However, I believe that it is slightly sharper than the 2.5.

The simple answer is: No there isn't a big difference.
 
ok i understood !

ok i understood !

really thank you very much for you comment.

I gave me a clear choice on what to do !

Cyril
 
I read somewhere an opinion that the 1.5 was optically much better than the 2.5, but can't remember where. The 1.5 is outstanding in sharpness, maybe not leica quality but close. I've never used the 2.5 but I looked at once in a shop- it seemed very heavy, despite its small size. I think its made of brass.
 
The Nokton is a big, relatively heavy lens, and it protrudes into the VF a bit. It's so big because it has one (or more?) aspherical elements, which should provide significant image quality improvements over non-asph glass. Despite the size, it's very easy to use, well-balanced, and is of course capable of making great photographs.
 
I have the 50mm Skopar and like it a lot. Other modern 50mm lenses have been characterized as "harsh" but that's not a word that can be applied to the Skopar! It is sharp in a smooth and gentle way. I have some samples uploaded in my RFF gallery, some including 100% scale crop sections for closer examination. This lens has been somewhat controversial, with some liking it and others not, so best to look for yourself.

These teasers below were shot with an M2 and Fuji NPZ800 film.

One other thing I appreciate about the Skopar is its small size; shorter than an extended collapsible 50mm lens, and scarcely longer than one collapsed. Smallest aperture f/22, 7 elements in 6 groups, 10-blade diaphragm, focus to .75m, 39mm filter. Length 33.6mm, dia 49.6mm
 

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Don't rule out the Jupiter 8, recently got mine. Its very compact for f2.0. No results yet as I've still to finish the film.
 
I don't think you'll be disappointed :) Congratulations

The Nokton actually has very pleasing bokeh at 1.5 while remaining quite sharp across the field. Erwin actually had it rated above the pre-asph summilux in picture quality.
 
I have both lenses but prefer the Nokton. It is sharper than the Skopar and has much the same qualities...nice creamy images at wider apertures and a wonderful "plasticity" in facial features that recalls photos from the 1930's. Stop it down for razor sharp applications. I prefer the Nokton's imaging qualities over the Summilux I used to use professionally. I recommend using the slowest film possible to exploit the imaging qualities of the Nokton...unless, of course, you want to shoot a black cat in a coal bin at night! Examine Paul Wolff's images from 1925 on using an Elmat at 3.5 to see what everyone seems to want today. It amazes me how modern shutterbugs want "sharp--sharper--sharpest" images and decry the "loss" of the "bokeh" and such! It is in the film and the technique, yes, but mostly in the photographer's mind and skill that "scores" great images. I recommend Wolff's, My First Ten Years With The Leica," to understand how understanding one's equipment and limitations of self all are needed to make those great images. You'll love the Nokton more and more as you use it more and more! Best wishes and good shooting.
John
 
Thank you

Thank you

Thank you John and everybody.

I don't have a very patient nature. It will be hard to wait for it...
 
Dougg said:
One other thing I appreciate about the Skopar is its small size; shorter than an extended collapsible 50mm lens, and scarcely longer than one collapsed. Smallest aperture f/22, 7 elements in 6 groups, 10-blade diaphragm, focus to .75m, 39mm filter. Length 33.6mm, dia 49.6mm
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Did I walk in to a commercial? :p

But, how much do you expect to pay for such a wonderful lens? $3500? $2500? $1500?

It can be yours for the super-low price of $289! Call now, and you get...oh, wait, it doesn't come with a finder, does it? --- But it comes in black or silver. Act now, and you'll start shooting so sharp, it'll cut your senses!

:angel:

I've heard nothing but praises for the Color-Skopar, both the 50mm and the 35mm. The Nokton tends to be compared to the Summilux, so that's a different ball-game. I didn't get the Nokton just because I've noticed it can flare when shot wide-open with strong sources of light; and that's pretty much the only complaint that some have reported.
 
I have been using the Nokton 50 for a couple of weeks now. I don't have a scanner, so I can't forward images to you yet. But I have been very impressed. I often shoot near wide open because I like isolating my subject, but don't want to use a longer lens. In fact my favourite lens (which I no longer own) was a summilux 35. Anyway, the Nokton 50 is sharp, contrasty, and, although big, has a nice heft to it, balancing the camera (Leica IIIf). Downside: it cuts about 1/3 of the image from the Leica's built-in finder, so I'm getting an external V/F from Stephen. And using the LH-3 hood, which is designed for the 35mm lens, on the 50, is quite possible, it needs a little fiddling to set it straight, but it stays on, however, you will find with some rangefinders like the IIIf it actually blocks a goodly portion of the rangefinder, even when rotated to keep the "clear" cuff in line with the lens. So I think I may end up selling that hood sometime, even though I much prefer it to the stock hood the lens comes with. Also, I made the cardinal mistake the other day of leaving my camera on the table, with the large hood on it, so no lens cap, and my wife pointed out to me that the sun was striking it head-on. I gasped and immediately removed the film to check the shutter curtains: luckily, it hadn't been in the sun that long, but the lens was pointed more or less directly into the window....
 
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