A Long Introduction

[Rhad the Man]

Evening,

Actually-- I don't expect this introduction to be long at all.

A little over two years ago I first started to contemplating the purchase of a camera. I've been taking pictures for awhile.. usually just candid stuff with 'borrowed' cameras from my brother, mother, uncle, grandpa.. never really making a commitment on any particular camera.

I was caught up in the whole digital v film debate.. and, I found that as many people that there are in the world-- thats how manying differing opinions on the subject there were. I'm a very compulsive person.. but, I didn't want to act impulsively on this issue-- since, being a poor college student.. I couldn't really afford a $1000+ compulsive buy-- so I thought.. and thought.. and thought.

Now that I'm leaving film school and heading off to the spartan law student lifestyle.. I had no more time to waste.

(www.fiftymillimeter.com really was the tipping point for me to go the way of the RF as opposed to the SLR (also, the feel, look, relatively better price/quality ratio on lens, etc etc.)

And so.. I'm here.

Thanks for all your help in developing my decision-- only time will tell if the setup will keep me sane when I'm neck high in books. :bang: .

Voigtlander Bessa r3a/Zeiss 50/2

A chip is just a chip.. but film is forever. Hah. Perhaps not.. but there does seem to be some ineffable quality to it.

I just take pictures for fun and to capture moments because my brain doesn't do nearly as good of a job recording memories.

 

[Kyle]

Congrats, that sounds like a nice setup! I had the ZM 35/2 for a while and it was a quality lens, I'm sure the 50/2 is no different.

Oh, I see you're from Riverside. Were you going to UCR?

 

[Frank Granovski]

Voigtlander Bessa r3a/Zeiss 50/2

That's the perfect set, along with a Contax G2/Zeiss 45mm F2. 😎

 

[RML]

Welcome to madhouse! 🙂 And enjoy that setup. Sounds like fun.

 

[Rhad the Man]

Oh, I see you're from Riverside. Were you going to UCR?

Naw actually down at USC.

Congrats, that sounds like a nice setup! I had the ZM 35/2 for a while and it was a quality lens, I'm sure the 50/2 is no different.

That's the perfect set, along with a Contax G2/Zeiss 45mm F2. 😎

Heh.. ah, to dream. Of course now I have to hold onto the rest of my money to pay for gas and the commute to USC.

I'm not sure school loans were meant to buy cameras and lens.........

Can't help myself though. 😀

 

[ch1]

Evening,

Actually-- I don't expect this introduction to be long at all.

A little over two years ago I first started to contemplating the purchase of a camera. I've been taking pictures for awhile.. usually just candid stuff with 'borrowed' cameras from my brother, mother, uncle, grandpa.. never really making a commitment on any particular camera.

I was caught up in the whole digital v film debate.. and, I found that as many people that there are in the world-- thats how manying differing opinions on the subject there were. I'm a very compulsive person.. but, I didn't want to act impulsively on this issue-- since, being a poor college student.. I couldn't really afford a $1000+ compulsive buy-- so I thought.. and thought.. and thought.

Now that I'm leaving film school and heading off to the spartan law student lifestyle.. I had no more time to waste.

(www.fiftymillimeter.com really was the tipping point for me to go the way of the RF as opposed to the SLR (also, the feel, look, relatively better price/quality ratio on lens, etc etc.)

And so.. I'm here.

Thanks for all your help in developing my decision-- only time will tell if the setup will keep me sane when I'm neck high in books. :bang: .

Voigtlander Bessa r3a/Zeiss 50/2

A chip is just a chip.. but film is forever. Hah. Perhaps not.. but there does seem to be some ineffable quality to it.

I just take pictures for fun and to capture moments because my brain doesn't do nearly as good of a job recording memories.

Counselor to wannabe:

If a chip is just a chip...what has this to do with RF v. SLR film cameras?

On what element do you base your decision.

I can purchase a high end film-based SLR for much less than a comparable RF because over the past 50 years so many more of the former were produced than the latter.

I shoot both film-based formats for various reasons.

I'd like to hear a film-based reason, other than a fallacious argument about price points, as to why you chose RF.

Time to hone your arguments - we're talking law school now - not film class!!

 

[Rhad the Man]

Time to hone your arguments - we're talking law school now - not film class!!

Hah. Wow. Wasn't expected to be jumped on so quickly.. this requires some thought and big words.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

Ah yes, 50mm. The guy who posts there (the main guy, anyway) was the one who ended up getting me to buy a rangefinder in a roundabout way as well. He got me back into photography and then I came here after I got kicked off another forum.

I liked the look of 50mm and it was recommended that I start with that focal length but at the time I couldn't afford a rangefinder so I went with a Nikon FE. Ended up being a great choice for me in that I've taken some great images with that camera. I sold it a while back and got the Canon P I'm now shooting with. I plan to replace the 50mm lens that came with it with a Nokton or a Canon lens that's faster. I also plan to get an FE with the same lens I sold back as soon as I possibly can just because I miss the crispness and the incredible bokeh I got with it.

50mm is a very good starting focal length. The R3A is a very good starter camera. Getting into the M system right away was also a good idea. I think you're going to be incredibly happy with your purchase.

Note that I haven't talked to Ian for over a year and I'm guessing he doesn't want to talk to me either. But he does do some really good photography and I suppose the one good thing I got out of the time I spent on a forum with him was the drive to photograph everything that moves. Now if I could just make that a marketable skill...

 

[Rhad the Man]

Issue: Relation between "chip-to-film" and the SLR v RF issue.

Argument: That they have nothing to do with one another.

Counter: They do not. My original writings may have been ill-ly formulated, however, there was a break of the voice to list my setup. As such, I cannot only be held partially at fault for the confusion. The "chip-to-film" statement was suppose to refer to the digital v film debate that I had alluded to earlier on.

Conclusion/Ruling: You Putz. 😀 Just joking.... I 'unno even know what a Putz is. Sounds like a Pungent Ritz.

 

[ch1]

Hah. Wow. Wasn't expected to be jumped on so quickly.. this requires some though and big words.

Prepare yourself for the Socratic method.

 

[ch1]

Issue: Relation between "chip-to-film" and the SLR v RF issue.

Argument: That they have nothing to do with one another.

Counter: They do not. My original writings may have been ill-ly formulated, however, there was a break of the voice to list my setup. As such, I cannot only be held partially at fault for the confusion. The "chip-to-film" statement was suppose to refer to the digital v film debate that I had alluded to earlier on.

Conclusion/Ruling: You Putz. 😀 Just joking.... I 'unno even know what a Putz is. Sounds like a Pungent Ritz.

And your point is that your argument is disjointed and illogical so therefore I am a PUTZ?

 

[Rhad the Man]

And your point is that your argument is disjointed and illogical so therefore I am a PUTZ?

Hm.. no, I think the point was more that I tend to write the same way I speak and therefore, my writing tends to be disjointed.

Hm.. text always lacks the subtle effects of voice.

 

[Rhad the Man]

And in closing.. before I go to sleep. I apologize for the Putz comment. Humor or not.. definitely rude of my considering this was my first thread and I don't know you and therefore should be using insult humor (however light-hearted) so freely.

 

[Rhad the Man]

schmuck (P)
Pronunciation Key (shmk)
n. Slang
1. A clumsy or stupid person; an oaf.

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chum (P)
Pronunciation Key (chm)
n.
1. An intimate friend or companion.

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Indeed. It really bothers me when people use words without fully understanding the definition of those words and/or phrases; or, if they do, using them incorrectly inspite of it. Such as "Constitutional Right." Bolderdash.

I realize law school will be tough, but interesting.. even as film school was tough, but interesting.

Web designing and photography is extremely tought, at least, appears to be for someone like me who knows nothing about the integration of photography with web design. All things become easier with knowledge I suppose...

Hmm.. well, not all things. "Most" would be more accurate.

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By the way, once again-- heh-- I apologize for using that word. I had full knowledge of its meaning and usage of such a word with someone I was unfamiliar with was rude. :bang:

 

[ch1]

putz (pts)
n.
1. Slang A fool; an idiot.
2. Vulgar Slang A penis.
intr.v. putzed, putz·ing, putz·es Slang
To behave in an idle manner; putter.

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[Yiddish pots, penis, fool.]


Only a schmuck of a lawyer would use a word they don't know === Words are everything, my youthful chum--- second only to images....

Enjoy law school --- it's tough.... That's why I'm a web designer and photographer --- you made a good camera choice... well reasoned and thought out...

Err...please enlighten me Memphis.

If you re-read the thread - who called whom a PUTZ?

I received Rhad's PM apology - apparently you choose to do a purposely misdirectled "flame".

My wife's from Memphis - she's warned me about folks like you!! 😀

 

[ch1]

I'm not flaming anyone ---- I just interjected after he said he didn't even know what a putz was....


Your wife is correct ---- if she's near her mid-30's I probably know her ---- Ask her where she went to High school (the answer defines status,income,social standing, and family history all in a few simple words with an innocuous question)

BS

You didn't read the damned thread at all, did you?

Rhad posted a "wanna go to law school" kind of thing and I "challenged" him with some Socratic argumentation.

EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO IN LAW SCHOOL,

He didn't "get it" at first and did a childish whine with an insult that included calling me a "putz"!

That is all you read!

Well first off get this - using a Yiddish insult to a lawyer is inflammatory. It presumes that all lawyers are Jewish and therefore can be insulted with the term.

Fact is, I am a lawyer, but I am not a Jew. But being a life-long NY'er I damned well know what the term is and what the purpose is in using it!

Second, my wife had the good sense to leave Memphis years ago and go to college at Yale with grad school at Northwestern. She hasn't looked back! And her age is of no consequence to you.

What I will tell you is that her "cousin" (i.e. blood cousin's husband) is a prominent photographer in Memphis and I hope has never seen need to employ you!

I've read your posts. You're a liberal "fish out of water" living in Memphis. You cannot change the "pond" you are in - but apparently, are unable or unwilling to jump to deeper and more welcoming ponds!

So get used to where you are - and stop trying to "stereotype" people!

 

[Rhad the Man]

Hm, I was not aware of that meaning for the word "Putz." Although I do know of the stereotype of lawyers and people of Jewish descent.

I shall have to give my words thought from different angles now.

"Putz" was only a word used among my siblings and us as kids since our parents didn't allow us to curse.

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Hm. Wasn't expecting my introduction thread to lead down this path...

 

[cp_ste.croix]

Holy thread spun out of control batman!

 

[Stephanie Brim]

Welcome to the forum. We have a few characters here.

 

[Rhad the Man]

And.. as supporting I am towards the idea of free expression, I don't really see any benefit in the continuing exposition of this thread. Since it was my thread originally, I now take advantage of my power to close it... and hopefully salvage whatever amiable sentiments still exist between everyone.

No disrespect intended.

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ex·po·si·tion (P)
Pronunciation Key (ksp-zshn)
n.

1. A setting forth of meaning or intent.
2. (excluded)
3. Music. (excluded)
4. The part of a play that provides the background information needed to understand the characters and the action.
5. An act or example of exposing.
6. A public exhibition or show, as of artistic or industrial developments.

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(edit) ..wait, no, I guess I don't have that power. :bang: Hm..