Adobe goes full evil

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Old versions of Photoshop are now illegal? Seems to only be the CC software, but still. Muse has been removed from the CC suite, so perhaps the website I've been building in my free time over the last two years will never get finished. Suppose that is a good analogy for my career tho.

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The Adobe Muse page says that it will continue to work, and they will continue to provide support through March 202, so maybe I'm safe for the next 10 months. Will see when I next sit down to work on it.
 
I saw this and was going to post. It's basically why I never bought into CC and have been using the last stand alone versions of Lightroom and Photoshop for the past several years. That and the fact that I think the software was mature several generations ago and none of the new enhancements really are significant for me.

Once Muse spits out the HTML, you should be fine. You just might need to find a new editor.
 
nightfly said:
I saw this and was going to post. It's basically why I never bought into CC and have been using the last stand alone versions of Lightroom and Photoshop for the past several years. That and the fact that I think the software was mature several generations ago and none of the new enhancements really are significant for me.

Once Muse spits out the HTML, you should be fine. You just might need to find a new editor.
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I agree and use the last stand alone issue of Lightroom. For more detailed edits requiring features not possessed by Lightroom (such as layers) I have swapped over to using Corel Paintshop Pro (PSP) which for my purposes is a "near-enough" equivalent of Photoshop and of course is also stand alone. I also make considerable use of Nik's suite of photo editing filters. Both PSP and Nik can be run under and "dropped into" from within Lightroom when required. The edits can then be performed and when those edits are saved, they are saved not to the disk, but are instead saved back into Lightroom to complete any further edits required in that editor. For me this is near perfect and allows considerable flexibility - basic RAW conversion and edits in Lightroom )and if that is all that is needed that is the end of processing) and complex editing and effects in PSP and Nik Suite.

Were I a professional who uses a photo editor every day and upon which my income depended (especially bearing in mind I could get a tax deduction for the cost of the monthly fee) I might be happy to pay a monthly fee. But for an amateur shooter like me it is simply not cost effective.
 
I'm confused. I have Photoshop CS1, CS3 and CS6, all stand alone. Is Adobe trying to say that software is illegal? If so, they are welcome to pry it from my cold dead fingers, as they say. I don't believe it is legal for them to try to take away software we paid for, under the agreement in place back then, (which was, if you bought it, you own it).

Are they talking about software that people got when they started the subscription service, and now those people are no longer doing the subscription service?

Best,
-Tim
 
I think it's the licensing agreement for CC. My understanding is it's the result of losing a patent case with someone who's IP is in earlier versions of CC.

It may also apply to the stand alone versions, but there's really nothing they can do in that case.

Also if you were to look around the web, there is a stand alone version of Photoshop 6 available via a bit of a hack which works. However I would never advocate software piracy.

The advantage to me of Photoshop 6 is that it's the first version that lets you use LUTs which is nice. I often open an image in Lightroom, edit in Photoshop, apply a Color Lookup layer, throw a LUT on, and then save the edit back into Lightroom.
 
Well... At $10/mo for the photographer's package of LR and PS, I'm a happy camper. There are, of course, advantages to using the latest versions. New features are cool and happy to have updates.

Just hope they aren't doubling the price.
 
I don't like having to subscribe to software, so when LR 6.14 dies its inevitable death on macOS, I'll be on something else. And the new system I'll purchase this year will never have LR or PS on it...

Already testing the alternatives. :D

G
 
Godfrey said:
I don't like having to subscribe to software, so when LR 6.14 dies its inevitable death on macOS, I'll be on something else. And the new system I'll purchase this year will never have LR or PS on it...

Already testing the alternatives. :D

G
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I switched to CaptureOne early last year. Give it a go. It's the only alternative to LR that I found. Everything else is either too clumsy or very basic. It still can't do everything PS does however, So I keep a copy of CS6 on my computer for when I need it
 
I learned how to take SOOC images good for prints, with next to none editing in LR 3.something.
I could still clone out few pimples with it.
I also recieved one of latest SA LR with M-E. This software was garbage, slow and crashing.
 
Timmyjoe said:
I'm confused. I have Photoshop CS1, CS3 and CS6, all stand alone. Is Adobe trying to say that software is illegal? If so, they are welcome to pry it from my cold dead fingers, as they say. I don't believe it is legal for them to try to take away software we paid for, under the agreement in place back then, (which was, if you bought it, you own it).

Are they talking about software that people got when they started the subscription service, and now those people are no longer doing the subscription service?

Best,
-Tim
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You don’t actually own it. You bought a right to use it. Very different
 
I just use my Photoshop Elements once in a while. But I mainly rely on Aperture. I just use PSE when I want to do a perspective correction, since Aperture doesn't have that. Phooey on paying for a subscription!
 
Doesn’t sound evil to me. But I’m glad to hear that you have plenty of time to get your work out of that program and onto the next one.
 
one year of Adobe CC photo apps costs roughly the same as permanent license of Capture One? besides that, one lives in permanent uncertainty how Adobe will change their pricing in future. I understand why companies are staying on Adobe's boat, but not why us hobbyists.
 
jarski said:
one year of Adobe CC photo apps costs roughly the same as permanent license of Capture One? besides that, one lives in permanent uncertainty how Adobe will change their pricing in future. I understand why companies are staying on Adobe's boat, but not why us hobbyists.
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Capture One is $300 for a permanent license. Adobe charges $120 a year for the Photography plan (Photoshop and Lightroom). So, Capture One is actually about 2 and a half years of Adobe. If Phase One updates Capture One, they'll charge you to upgrade. Adobe doesn't. I don't think there's a real price difference.


The big difference to me is image quality, and Capture One just doesn't cut it. Especially for high-ISO work, Lightroom's sharpening and noise reduction are FAR better than Capture One's. Even if Adobe really were a lot more expensive, I'd still use it. In the end, image quality is everything, money is not.
 
If you are shooting completely digital, switch to Capture One. The quality of the color in Capture One blows away Adobe.
 
I saw capture one mentioned. I had capture one that came with my M8 when I bought it ... a year later when I went to do an update they remotely disabled it and tried to sell me a different version. I trust them 'not 'and wouldn't put it past Adobe to do the same so I would advise anyone with a free standing version of photoshop to be sure to disable any auto update functions!
 
Keith said:
I saw capture one mentioned. I had capture one that came with my M8 when I bought it ... a year later when I went to do an update they remotely disabled it and tried to sell me a different version. I trust them 'not 'and wouldn't put it past Adobe to do the same so I would advise anyone with a free standing version of photoshop to be sure to disable any auto update functions!
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You probably updated it into the next version as a "trial" and didn't realize you did it.
 
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