Adox CMS 120 Where to Buy in US??

[bwcolor]

From Adox Website..dated 1/07/2011:

1.7.2011: ADOX CMS 20 medium format films

This is the first product at all made in our new micro factory on our modified 120 spooling machine.
Currently we are upgrading the ADOTECH developer for CMS 20.
As soon as the new developer is available we will introduce CMS 20 120 film/developer packages.
The new ADOTECH enhances highlight separation with CMS 20 and surpresses streaking in large homogenous grey areas even better than the current version, making it suitable for 120 and sheetfilm development.

Has anyone tried this combination, or this film in 120?
Where to buy the film in the U.S.?
Where to buy the film/developer in the U.S.?

BTW.. Didn't see 120 @ Freestyle..

 

[joe4444]

ADOX e-mailed me back a couple weeks ago saying they already shipped to Freestyle, so I called Freestyle and they said it was on the way. "As soon as it's on the website you can order it."

I just checked the website and it's there! Maybe they added it today? I don't see Adotech II anywhere though, so I'm not sure how you'll be able to develop the new 120 rolls. Hopefully the new developer will be available soon. (edit: I didn't read the full description for CMS 20 at Freestyle. Looks like Adotech II won't be at Freestyle until December.) If you're in a rush you might be able to order from photoimpex.de, but shipping is probably more than the developer price. I haven't been able to find it anywhere else.

Freestyle also said there will be a new version of 135 soon that is designed for Adotech II, but right now it looks like they are still only carrying the original version.

 

[bwcolor]

Thanks.. that is great news. I am not in a rush. I've never used the film. I'm not sure what the 35mm brings to the table since it seems easier to use medium format for medium format quality, but my largest negative size is 6x7, so just curious. Will order a kit when Freestyle is stocking the combo.

Of course, the question arises as to what to do with such a high resolution negative? My curiosity centers around how this film differs with careful scanning on my 9000ED vs. other more mainstream film choices. Evidently, 4000dpi only begins to approach this films resolution.

 

[shadowfox]

Thanks for the heads up. A high-resolution 120 film? cool.

In the past week I've learned two new films that I've never heard of before.

It looks like we film users are in for a treat.

Incidentally, this blurb on the film's web page is the first I've seen:

Note: The manufacturer does not supply this film with expiration dates as the film is very slow and stable for many years.

How about that, is this part of the transition from being mass-commodity to niche for film?

 

[HHPhoto]

Hi,

Thanks.. that is great news. I am not in a rush. I've never used the film. I'm not sure what the 35mm brings to the table since it seems easier to use medium format for medium format quality, but my largest negative size is 6x7, so just curious. Will order a kit when Freestyle is stocking the combo.

with CMS 20 in Adotech or Spur Modular UR New (well the Adotech is a rebranded Spur Modular UR New developer) 35mm film you get quality comparable or even a bit better than Plus-X in 6x9 medium format film.
A friend of mine has made comparisons of 35mm CMS 20 and Fomapan 100 in 4x5" and CMS delivers better detail.
But if you want best tonality with CMS 20, ISO is low in the 4 - 6 range.
It's an orthopanchromatic film with quite dark reds.

If you need higher speed with excellent tonality, than take Agfa Copex Rapid with Spur Modular UR New (part A1 + part B), It's real ISO 40.
Image quality is surpassing FP4+, RPX 100 and Fomapan 100 in 6x6 medium format.
Normal panchromatic sensitization.

Another possibility: Rollei ATP with new ATP A/B developer. Right choice if you need superpanchromatic sensitization (light reds).
Image quality comparable to Agfa Copex Rapid.

Of course, the question arises as to what to do with such a high resolution negative? My curiosity centers around how this film differs with careful scanning on my 9000ED vs. other more mainstream film choices. Evidently, 4000dpi only begins to approach this films resolution.

Well, 4000 dpi is much, much too low to capture the detail of all these films.
together with some friends we've tested that with Nikon Coolscan V and Imacon X5.

The Coolscan get about 70 lp/mm with CMS 20.
The Imacon X5 about 125 lp/mm.

And with optical printing with APO enlarging lenses we got more than 200 (!!) lp/mm on paper.

Scanning, even with drum scanners, is a process with which you loose much quality, especially with high resolution films.
By far the best solution is classic optical wet printing in the darkroom with excellent enlarging lenses.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

Thanks for the heads up. A high-resolution 120 film? cool.

Adox is very late in the game. Rollei ATP in 120 has already been available for more than two years now, and Agfa Copex Rapid 120 has already been one and a half year on the market.

Incidentally, this blurb on the film's web page is the first I've seen:

Note: The manufacturer does not supply this film with expiration dates as the film is very slow and stable for many years.

How about that, is this part of the transition from being mass-commodity to niche for film?

No, simply physics: Microfilm is extremely stable (it has to for archival use).

Cheers, Jan

 

[bwcolor]

Stability prior to exposure and post exposure are two different things.

 

[HHPhoto]

Stability prior to exposure and post exposure are two different things.

That's right.
And microfilm has both.

I've shot microfilm which was over 20 years old and the results were perfect.

Cheers, Jan

 

[bwcolor]

Sure, I understand. I was only pointing out that the original reference was with regards to unexposed film. I hate to say it but this thread has me thinking of a wet darkroom. I disassembled my last darkroom in 1971. Finding a place to put it is the problem.