Anyone here interested in Sony cameras?

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I must say the word Sony on a "pro" camera to me is like putting the world "Passat" on a sports car but for some reason Sony just doesn't stay down. I hate to admit it but an amazing amount of stuff in my possession are Sony branded. My Mp3 player, a PSP, a laptop, my first and second digital cameras (a p72 and f717), a mobile phone, my gf's mobile phone, some ear bud headphones and also some studio head phones.

I dont quite understand how Sony has wedged its way into my wallet, maybe its because I have been consistently impressed with some of their products but wonderfully surprised how they fail to support their own good ideas! My Mp3 player has wildly good sound and battery life (easy 50 plus hours!) but they failed to provide it with a good way to get music on the damn thing. My PSP, great piece of kit, especially when you are on the john, but they completely failed to support it with....anything! My laptop, very nice, but feels bogged down with all the extras Sony stuck in it to slow it down. My first digital camera.....no complaints, old man has that now. Second digital camera (the f717) probably the only camera I ever sold that I still think about, I sold it to fund a canon 20D, but I miss the swivel body and lens which shot great black and white, pity sony's cards were so bloody expensive! My head phones....the outside rubber on the wires reduced to the consistency of sludge after a year, a sticky, icky mess like rotting foam light seals.


So....why is it after all of this....Alpha Romeo like madness am I halfway interested in this new 24.something mega pixel digital camera they are making??? Well a couple reason actually. Canon lenses have underwhelmed me, the inconsistency of my lenses, coupled the lousy build and optical quality of their sub 1000 dollars L lenses has left me wanting. Canon semi pro bodies on the other hand I like. Very nice in my opinion.

But...still....here is this Sony again, full frame 24 mp sensor with lots of very important things to me in a digital camera like sensor cleaning and most of all, in body image stabilization thing. That coupled with this new Zeiss 24-70 2.8 lens is a formidable combination.

Would the new Sony body be a match for a 5D mark 2? No one can say, and frankly at this stage DSLR's have matured to a level where the expectations are high, so I predict a high level product that will work just fine. What I am a little annoyed about is the 600 dollar premium of the Zeiss lens to the Canon lens. Also Canon's seemingly iron stranglehold on their lens mount making it so difficult for other manufacturers to make 3rd party lenses is rather annoying to me. Also their seemingly resistant attitude to in body IS has turned me off a bit to them. I find IS very handy because when I am using my DSLR, usually in very bad conditions where ISO 3200 and f 1.4 are not even enough, IS might just be enough to get you that one extra selling picture, and it has for me in the past.


Ok enough blah blah blah I guess. My teacher friend, who is NG, is also on the edge of his seat for this new Sony offering, he uses a R1 and is happy with it to a point. We predict some rather crazy things to happen in the next year for the DSLR camera industry. With Sony raising the bar high and coming out hitting hard with cameras like the a350 and a700 (both of which we have used and reviewed for a Chinese photography magazine) along with that other Zeiss zoom lens (specs escape me now, ....18-55 I think) which was really good.....its all quite interesting!

I find myself rather excited for the new Sony pro'ish camera. Everything about it intrigues me except Sony's stupid orange ring around the mount! Maybe I will be opening my wallet once again for them, then sticking tape over the Sony label. I am however rather apprehensive on what mindless thing they are going to get wrong....4 memory stick duo slots instead of a CF card slot? Lack of weather seals? More orange on the lens mount? Only time will tell I guess, but given that the a700 impressed both my teacher and I in most areas, we are hopeful. In fact the only thing that keeps us looking at other brands is that we both are seriously dreaming of a Nikon FM3a digital that will never come.
 
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I feel like I'm at my 1st AA meeting ... hi, I'm Andrew and I like Sony cameras.
I've ended up with Sony by proxy really, I was a Minolta person. I've recently splashed out on their 'flag ship' A700 and it is a good thing. I can use all of my existing Minolta mount glass plus the new Zeiss offerings that are superb. The internals of the Sony are much the same as the Nikon with Sony supplying the sensors for them. The last pro level Minolta, the Dynax 9 was a belter and maybe Sony will carry on where this left off. 24MP is something to look forward to but at what cost? The rumer mill has it costing about $6000USD, so it will need to be better than good.
Andrew.
 
Sounds like you are brand loyal. I wouldn't know anything about that. By the way, got any Fujica screw mount cameras or lenses you would like to give away? 😀 😀 😀

I am all for any brand that comes out with a full frame sensor and accepts my screw mount or Contax lenses, and is in my range for costs. Guess I won't be gettin one then.
 
I feel like I'm at my 1st AA meeting ... hi, I'm Andrew and I like Sony cameras.
I've ended up with Sony by proxy really, I was a Minolta person. I've recently splashed out on their 'flag ship' A700 and it is a good thing. I can use all of my existing Minolta mount glass plus the new Zeiss offerings that are superb. The internals of the Sony are much the same as the Nikon with Sony supplying the sensors for them. The last pro level Minolta, the Dynax 9 was a belter and maybe Sony will carry on where this left off. 24MP is something to look forward to but at what cost? The rumer mill has it costing about $6000USD, so it will need to be better than good.
Andrew.


Here we highly doubt it will be so pricey, especially if it wants to be taken seriously. If it is I will not be going over to Sony, Zeiss or not. Here we are expecting a price of around 23000 RMB, or about 3300 dollars, still expensive especially since 5d's are now down to 16-1700 dollars here. A stretch no doubt, but...who knows what may happen!
 
I currently have a Canon 5D. I'm VERY happy with two of my three Canon lenses. I have a 35L, 85L (both fantastic). I have a 50/1.4, which is exceptional from f2, but is not strong in low light AF. I'm anxiously awaiting the new Sigma 50/1.4....

Anyway, so, like everyone else, i've been waiting for the 5D-MkII. But, Canon has decided there is not yet an acceptable level of competition for that camera, so they haven't upgraded it. I'm not like so many people who want an upgrade simply for upgrading's sake — there are a few features i'm very much interested in.

And, now comes word of the Sony A900. I would be thrilled with 24MP. The in-body stabilization thing is a HUGE thing for me [my hands are not so steady]. I know Canon says in-lens stabilization is more effective, but i don't shoot long zooms or teles, and they are not likely to make 35/50/85mm primes with IS. The Sony solution is more appropriate for me.

Then, there's the aesthetics issue. I've never really embraced the Canon design sensibility. It's better than Pentax and Olympus, that's for sure. But, i've always preferred the look and feel of Contax and Nikon pro camera bodies. Now the Minolta comes along and seems to have certain elements of both.

So, yes, i'm very much attracted to the IDEA of the new Sony. I can actually see myself 'divesting' from Canon at the end of the summer. I realize the Sony marque is not immediately going to impress anyone, but i'm thinking about it like this:
1. Canon wasn't a professional choice until the EF mount. I mean, there were nice Canon cameras, but the pro choice was a Nikon. Things can change pretty quickly.
2. 24MP and Zeiss glass may allow me to sell my Hasselblad. I'm not likely to buy a digital sensor for it.
3. I REALLY want image stabilization, and i don't think Canon will have it in-body, or in lenses that i use - not for a LONG time.

The only issues that concern me are 1) high ISO noise from the Sony. Can it compete with the Canons? I hope i won't have to choose between either high resolution or high ISO performance. 2) Is there an image quality compromise with the A900. Am i going to get 24MP worth of crappy pixels? Will tests show that the 5D-II, uprezzed from 16MP is still better than the Sony?

Like you, i too have owned a lot of Sony equipment. Mostly audio/video components, PS1/PS2/PS3. It was easy to buy Sony in the 80s and 90s, because they always had a solid featureset, and the components LOOKED good. Now, i fear the Sony brand is too "common," and i'd like to resist it, in favor of more esoteric brands. But, clearly, when Sony wants to dominate a market segment, they can. I just hope they want the RIGHT segment of the photo industry. If they cater to the average consumer, but dress the products up in slightly better packaging, i'm not sure they'll really be successful at the professional end. They really need to innovate, and serve professional needs. And, this first effort MUST be successful. They can't afford a Leica M8-like problem out of the gate.

Oh, so, anyway - i just ordered a Minolta Maxxum 7. I'll use it with the Sony 50/1.4. I'm hoping this lens will be even better than my Canon 50/1.4. I'm also hoping it will persuade me to sell my Contax, and get me more excited about moving into the A900.
 
I generally go the other way, as I have an active dislike for Sony products, which I find overpriced, propriertry, and off generally less than great reliability compared to how they've been in tha past. However I'm really looking forward to their full frame offering... I've been after a 5D for a while, but I'm holding off buying anything now to see what happens with Nikon, Canon, and Sony, with regards to full frame, over the next year. Exciting times to be sure 😀

Cheers

Matt

PS I hope Sony do something with their lenses prices first though, some of them are insanely expensive compared to Canon and Nikon.
 
I have to agree with HitmanH: Sony does have a disturbing history of making proprietary items or components. Memory Sticks instead of CF cards, for example, would be disappointing in the A900. A dealbreaker, i dunno. Sony also have/had a history of not supporting Macs very well, at least with video editing software. The A900 had better have a RAW+JPG function that is fully compatible with Aperture, Photoshop, and LightRoom.
 
If I will surrender to digital, it will be a FF dsrl.
I have a Maxxum 9 and a bunch of minolta AF lenses. Nice primes I mean. Like the 100 macro, 200 2,8 which is better than Olimpia Sonnar etc.
Also I have a few ZF. Sony might sell the FF sensor to Nikon.
So: YES I am interested. Strongly. And I expect a very good camera. The pro division of Sony makes excellent Camcorders, for example. The review of current bodies are good and this will be a flagship.
Unless Nikon does a much better product with the same sensor, competitive in price, I think The alfa 900(?) might be my first digital
Cheers
Paul
 
With a lot Minolta AF primes, I will choose SONY DSLR for my next body (first is KM alpha-5D), since the first product of DSLR market sony has made, I just thought it will be the next generation of DSLR history, comparing with the figure of the camera body performance and the image quality, I don't think not worse than other Canon or Nikon. I just like the amazing Zeiss AF lens too. There comes the sony storm, maybe. Ha Ha.

Thanks,
Frank
 
Well, I like my Konica Minolta 7D. Big, but nice. Not as plasticky as the Sonys. I altered a 58mm f1,2 to fit the Alpha mount and I'm very happy with it. And with the image stabilisation, especially for the bigger telephoto lenses.
Now only if they'd be smaller like rf cameras.

If only pigs could fly...
 
Minolta was always able to produce good stuff, but was never really good in marketing.
The 7D and 5D dslr's were very good and, let's face it, in-body antishake is a cool thing.
Sony took them over and messed them up a bit, but they are still okay.
 
My first player were walkman, when Sony invented MD to overcome limits of cassettes, world has moved towards MP3's. My last TV weren't Sony because I just don't like their new slogan "like no other" - "it's a sony" were much better, and there were some truth. Though some friend bought new Sony TV because of dimensions - it fit into his custom made shelve 🙂
As for cameras - they will be fine as long they will not change bayonet. I were really surprised they kept it because Sony just loves proprietary solutions.
 
At the moment, Canon is getting in the way of me buying an A700.... a Canon P that is 😀 That's what this place does to a fella - a happy Luddite I am.

But with a war chest full of real glass MinO lenses I'm not going to able to resist for ever.

The Dynax 9 keeps me more than happy for FF. The A700 would add to my nature/wildlife interest at the long end with its crop factor - my 200 2.8 becomes a 300 or so.😎
 
Only to a limited extent. I had a Sony DSC f717 which had a sensationally sharp and contrasty Zeiss lens but I eventually sold it when I decided to go down the Nikon route so I could make use of my existing lenses - and because I did not like certain aspects of the non SLR format such as shutter delay and an annoying and quite low resolution electronic viewfinder.

The only ther Sony camera I crave is the R1 which came in after the 717 / 828 and was highly regarded. Everything I read about this short lived beauty suggests its worth owning - provided you do not mind a largish camera (which I do not.) I have not considered the Sony SLR digitals as I now have both a Nikon and a Panasonic L1 and do not wish to change mounts yet again.
 
I find it incredible that a stupid name refrains someone to like a camera. "Man, why is it a SONY? I'd buy it if it was anything else then a SONY. Why can't people at SONY call it something else so I can enjoy the damned camera?"
 
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