Braun Paxette lens hood question

[ped]

Hi everyone,

I found this forum whilst looking for a solution to my problem.

My grandfather recently gave me a beautiful Braun Paxette with a 45mm lens. I have recently gone on eBay and been to various vintage camera shops and found some original accessories (box, case, 85 and 135mm lenses, caps, manual, magazine review, multi-viewfinder etc) which makes a really nice complete kit. More importantly, using the camera is a pleasure and it works flawlessly, producing stunning images with Ilford FP4.

I am after a lens hood for the 45mm and 85mm lenses. Apparently the thread inside the front is 39mm, the same as Leica etc.

I have ordered a couple of Leica type vented E39 hoods on eBay but really wanted something chrome to match the camera, or something square (I have a thing for square hoods, no idea why)

So - what can you reccomend? I have seen various nice looking Leitz hoods but they don't seem to have a 39mm thread, some have a collar to clamp over a lens, and it's all rather confusing.

I'll leave you with a pic of my camera (taken with a DSLR) and look forward to any replies.

Many thanks
ped

P.s the 135mm lens has a different sized thread but probably don't need a hood on that as it's long enough already - however if anyone knows the appropriate size I would be interested to find out.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Hi ped,

welcome!
It's nice here

(...) More importantly, using the camera is a pleasure and it works flawlessly, producing stunning images with Ilford FP4.

Glad to hear that.

Unfortuantely, I have no experience with the thread-mount Paxettes, just with the bayonet mount rangefinders of Carl Braun.

Never used a hood with them, IMHO the front lenses are recessed deeply enough.

 

[Grytpype]

I don't think you'll find the thread at the front of the lens where the hood (or a filter) would fit is 39mm, ped, though the lens-mount thread is 39mm on these cameras. You can normally judge the correct thread diameter for the hood with a ruler. It's the outside diameter of the thread you want, so you have to estimate the thread depth.

For some examples, the thread on the Steinheil Cassarit 50mm on my Super Paxette is 29.5mm and the thread on the Staeble Kata 45mm on my Paxette IIM is 32.5mm. I've also got a 135mm Roeschlein Telenar and this doesn't have a thread at the front at all: you need a hood that pushes on to the 34mm outside diameter (I haven't found one yet!).

You've got a very nice kit there, by the way. I've been very pleased with the results from both mine, even though my lenses are less than mint.

Steve.

 

[ped]

OK many thanks. A guy I asked at Talkphotograohy seemed pretty confident they were a 39mm thread for a hood but I think I agree with you, the thread doesn't look as large as the side which screws into the body. Did I just waste some money on some incorrect sized hoods :0/

If anyone can tell me what size the thread is I would be eternally grateful.

 

[BillBingham2]

Ped,

Welcome to the best place on the net to ask, learn, share, get addicted to photography and share your addiction.

Sorry to say I have no idea about the right size shades but I do know there were LOTS of strange sizes on lenses of old. Not only in diameter but in pitch of the threads. All I can say is dig, dig, dig. Look for groups of collectors and users, odds are they are out there some where.

The approach reminds me a lot of a Kodak offering over here and you might look to see if they are more alike the just in looks. I know old Kodak hoods were rectangles and some were plastic push-ons.

Good luck and share your results, not only in your search but also your pictures.

B2 (;->

 

[ped]

So does a series 6 adapter fit these lenses? What does it do, exactly?

 

[Shac]

Did I just waste some money on some incorrect sized hoods :0/

I assume it was a Hong Kong based compnay you ordered from. If so I've found some I've dealt with to be helpful and you could might be able to return it (worth asking) - also when you find the thread size - ask if they can make one?
Good luck
David

 

[ped]

Thanks, it may be worth asking if they can make one, yes. Probably not worth the hassle returning them, pretty sure I ordered two at about £6 each.

Still trying to find the size; I might take a lens to a hardware store tomorrow and see if I can 'borrow' a micrometer

 

[ped]

I don't think you'll find the thread at the front of the lens where the hood (or a filter) would fit is 39mm, ped, though the lens-mount thread is 39mm on these cameras. You can normally judge the correct thread diameter for the hood with a ruler. It's the outside diameter of the thread you want, so you have to estimate the thread depth.

For some examples, the thread on the Steinheil Cassarit 50mm on my Super Paxette is 29.5mm and the thread on the Staeble Kata 45mm on my Paxette IIM is 32.5mm. I've also got a 135mm Roeschlein Telenar and this doesn't have a thread at the front at all: you need a hood that pushes on to the 34mm outside diameter (I haven't found one yet!).

You've got a very nice kit there, by the way. I've been very pleased with the results from both mine, even though my lenses are less than mint.

Steve.

Steve,

Just tried a 28mm thread on the lens and it was too small, and a 30mm was too bug, so I guess it's a 29 or a 29.5... my lenses with the same sized thread are a 45mm Pointikar and an 85mm Staeble-Telexon. I have seen a 29.5 to 37mm step up ring so perhaps I'll give that a try!

Cheers
ped

 

[rbiemer]

How about this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/34mm-push-fit-Lens-Hood-Braun-Paxette-etc
I would also contact this guy and ask him what he might have.
I dealt with this seller before and will again.
Rob

 

[batterytypehah!]

So does a series 6 adapter fit these lenses? What does it do, exactly?

Welcome to the forum. Here's some info:
http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Series_filters

 

[ped]

How about this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/34mm-push-fit-Lens-Hood-Braun-Paxette-etc
I would also contact this guy and ask him what he might have.
I dealt with this seller before and will again.
Rob

Thanks - I have contacted the seller (I have used him before, too) and awaiting a reply. I'll let you know how I get on!

 

[ped]

Welcome to the forum. Here's some info:
http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Series_filters

Thanks for the welcome. I just had a look at the link - am I just being daft or does that still present me with the problem of finding out the size of the thread on the front of my lens?

I'm not sure a push fit will work, as a side point, because the threaded front section rotates to adjust the aperture - a lens hood which covers it would obscure the red marking to show the aperture and possibly loosen with rotation.

Cheers
ped

 

[batterytypehah!]

You'll need to know the diameter no matter what, whether threaded or push-on. It's not a big deal to measure. A ruler will be good enough if you don't have a caliper. Move the ruler until you get the largest possible diameter reading; that means you're indeed measuring the diameter and not a chord.

As has been pointed out above, you'll need to add a little to account for measuring the inside diameter of the receiving thread instead of the outside diameter of the filter thread.

 

[Grytpype]

Just tried a 28mm thread on the lens and it was too small, and a 30mm was too bug, so I guess it's a 29 or a 29.5.
ped

ped,

29.5mm was by far the most common size for Braun standard (45mm or 50mm) lenses. I have a Pointikar that came from a scrap camera, and can confirm that mine is a 29.5mm thread. Other focal lengths, though, are probably different.

Steve.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

You'll need to know the diameter no matter what, whether threaded or push-on. It's not a big deal to measure. A ruler will be good enough if you don't have a caliper. Move the ruler until you get the largest possible diameter reading; that means you're indeed measuring the diameter and not a chord.

As has been pointed out above, you'll need to add a little to account for measuring the inside diameter of the receiving thread instead of the outside diameter of the filter thread.

To cope with such tasks, I recently bought a not so bad ("5 ans de garantie", 5 years manufacturer's liability) vernier slide gauge at our local discount grocery shop for a sum of probably EUR 9,99.:angel:

Try to find one (or to be more flexible: "calliper", "Schiebelehre", "pied à coulisse", "calibro a corsoio"), it's easily manageable.

 

[ped]

Excellent guys thanks very much for the help. 29.5mm it is - right... now to find a bloody lens hood!!

I'll also look into a series 6 adaptor, and step up rings (though I want to be careful that the hood doesn't obscure the rangefinder window!!)

Cheers
ped

 

[Grytpype]

Just to complicate the issue, ped, you also need to make sure the hood you're using is suitable for the focal length of the lens! For example if you use a hood intended for a standard 50mm lens with a wide-angle lens (35mm or less) you are likely to get vignetting; i.e. the corners of the image may be cut off. Rectangular hoods may possibly be better in this respect, but I don't have one myself to try.

 

[ped]

Thanks - I guess if I can get hold of a hood in the first place I'll just have to try it and see! I ordered some steel caps for the rear of the lenses the other week and a matching one for the body of the camera and they fit perfectly. I am putting all the kit into a foam case cut to fit - once the viewfinder arrives I'll have it all squared away nicely (except the hoods!!!)

 

[rbiemer]

This might be a problem but you could put a mark on the push fit part and simply align that with the mark on the lens barrel. If the lens is click stopped and a bit tight and the push fit is a bit loose, it could move around. I have one lens which has a 33mm thread and while it came with an original hood, if I want to use a filter I have ended up using the a36 push fit size and I just used a marker to put a small dot on one of the flanges(?) that grip the lens and line that up with the aperture mark on the lens. Not very elegant but it works.
Rob

I'm not sure a push fit will work, as a side point, because the threaded front section rotates to adjust the aperture - a lens hood which covers it would obscure the red marking to show the aperture and possibly loosen with rotation.
Cheers
ped