CV 35mm Help !!!

benjaminlr

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I am a new RF user.
I have a Bessa T and a 50mm Summicron.
I'd like to buy a 35mm.

I hesitate between :

CV 2.5 35 Pancake II M
CV 1.7 35 L39 + M adapter
Leica 2.8 Summaron M

Please can anyone who experienced these lenses help me to make a choice.

Many thanks, Ben
 
Well what are your priorities? If you want a low light lens, go with the Ultron. If you want compact, the PII M is nice, and if you want that Leica look, you need to go with the Summaron. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the choices, but the key to figuring out which is for you is to determine what is most important for you.

Or just say 'screw it', and buy all of them. 🙂
 
I think the first one, in the non-pancake model, is probably the most owned lens on RFF. It's well-made, small, contrasty and sharp. The second one (1.7) is bigger, and IMO, is less contrasty and again, IMO, the better lens. Can't help on the third.

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RayPA said:
I think the first one, in the non-pancake model, is probably the most owned lens on RFF. It's well-made, small, contrasty and sharp. The second one (1.7) is bigger, and IMO, is less contrasty and again, IMO, the better lens. Can't help on the third.

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Yeah, I've got the classic...weird that it's smaller then the "pancake"? I also have the Ultron.

The classic sees a lot more use due to its small size 🙂
 
Besides on deciding if you need the extra stops of the ultron, I also find the handling of a lans important. I have the Ultron and also the 50/2.5, and have to say I like the handling of the Ultron a lot better, because the hands rests on the barrel. In the case of the 50/2.5 (and I guess also the 35/2.5) in order to focus the fingers have to fidget with the focus lever. People either like it or not. I don't, since I find the postion a little awkward and it takes more time for me to focus (well I have to train myself on that) and to adjust the aperture.
That said, both lenses are very good.
 
benjaminlr said:
I am a new RF user.
I have a Bessa T and a 50mm Summicron.
I'd like to buy a 35mm.

I hesitate between :

CV 2.5 35 Pancake II M
CV 1.7 35 L39 + M adapter
Leica 2.8 Summaron M

Please can anyone who experienced these lenses help me to make a choice.

Many thanks, Ben

Hello Ben,

The 35 f2:5 Pll is an excellent lens, mind you I just traded mine along with some cash for a Summicron 35 f2 ASPH., the price was right, I couldn't resist!
There tends to be some vignetting until about f4 with the Pll, but I did not find it bothersome, to me anyway?
I used to own the CV 35 f1:7, which I liked, although, I found it slightly large. Of the three you have listed, I would pick the Summaron 35 f2:8 first, followed by the Pll, then the 35 f1:7, providing speed is not your main priority.
Best of luck!

Cheers,
kf
 
Just currious why you left the Classic CV 35 + adapter off your list? It's a different optical formula than the Pancake II. Though if you like vignetting the pancake sounds like it might be the better choice.
 
The Summicron 50 isn't really slow, but it's also not really small and light. Especially if you've got a Bessa-T, I can imagine that it will be a lot of fun having a compact wide companion lens to the 50. In my book that would rule out the 35/1.7 in this particular case.
 
If you like to shoot up close, the Color-Skopar is the only way to go. The minimum focus distance is 0.7 meter (27.5 inches) for either the pancake version or the Classic. The Ultron is 0.9 m (35.5 in.) & the summaron is 1m (39 in.).
 
I have and use most of time the Ultron 35/1,7. IMO the only neg point is that I cannot go very close to the subject, as Huck Finn says min 0,9 m. The other characteristics are ok, at least for me !
 
Benjaminlr did you come to a decision on which 35mm you would get?, I'm in the same boat. (decided it's a 35 that I need next) I've been reading all the old archive notes and of course it's a subjective thing.
Still torn between the Ultron 1.7 and the Classic Skopar which is cheaper and by all account a little more contrasty.

Although I think it would be really good to have one fast lens as the other one I have is the 28mm 3.5 (really nice lens IMHO.

one thing that I have noticed is the strap lugs on the R2 are situated in such a way that the camera hangs in an awkward postition due to the weighting That and the fact that the 28mm is so small means it dosent hang nice and upright.
I'm thinking the Ultron might balance things out nicely, Not really a major issue but something else to through into the mix.

If anyone wants to help me spend my money and give their further impressions of the C.V 35's that would be appreciated

Paul 😀
 
Paulo,

I have a 35/1.7 and have had some great shots with her. It now is on long term loan to my son for his system (35/75). I have replaced it with a 40/1.4 which I love. The build feels just a bit better (same generation as the PCII I think) and it’s small and fast. I’ve moved my telephoto from an 85/2 to a 105/2.5.

You are hard pressed to find better bang for your buck than CV lenses, I even have one for my Nikon S2. I love the 25mm lens on an L and then I carry a T for the two lenses I need a range finder for.

This spring I’m going to force myself to carry the 15mm with me instead of the 25. I got the 25 as part of a deal for a used 15 and have hardly used the 15. Not because it is a bad lens, just the 25 is so much fun.

I have several Leica lenses, all about 15 years old. There is a difference in build and look, but the price is a lot more which is why I got into CV/Bessa. I did not want to carry Leicas around with young kids and potentially loose one to an accident.

Hope this helps.

B2 (;->
 
Thanks Bill , I've decided to go with the ultron, I guess they are all great lens's when considering the price , I did consider the 40mm nokton for a while but the r2 has the 35mm framelines and I really do like wides. Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Huck Finn said:
If you like to shoot up close, the Color-Skopar is the only way to go. The minimum focus distance is 0.7 meter (27.5 inches) for either the pancake version or the Classic. The Ultron is 0.9 m (35.5 in.) & the summaron is 1m (39 in.).
Minimum focus distance for the Summaron 35/2.8 is either 1m for LTM or 0.7m for M mount. I am contemplating an exchange of mount for this reason.
 
I have had, and will soon have again, the 35/2.5 Color Skopar in M39 mount. Adam found focusing it a bit fiddly because you need to use (in order to focus rapidly) the little knob on the lens. So did I, but left all other lenses at home for a week, using a Bessa R, and after a roll or two it became second nature.

The lens is indeed sharp and contrasty, and some might prefer otherwise. Alll lenses have differences, obviously, but if you want contrast and sharp, look no further. I did a portrait of a friend, a middle-aged woman - and of course this lens is not intended for that sort of work in general - and I had to use my old trick to tone it down, which consists of a darning hoop over which I've stretched a piece of panty hose. If it's a 20 second exposure with the enlarger, I give it the first 8 seconds straightaway, then interrupt the projected light from the enlarger and slowly move the hoop back and forth just under the lens. Softens things up and the subject doesn't get mad at you.

However, with architectural stuff, cars, motorcycles, etc., where you want sharp, the 35/2.5 is hard to beat.
 
New Ultron

New Ultron

Kickstarting this thread again, Just to add I recieved my new Ultron 35mm 1.7 from Stephen Gandy at Camera Quest, I am really immpressed with the quick communication I recieved from Stephen answering my questions. Also I should add the lens arrived about a week sooner than I was expecting it.

I am glad I took the advice of others on this forum with regards to cameraquest.

Cheers
 
BillBingham2 said:
Paulo,

I have a 35/1.7 and have had some great shots with her. It now is on long term loan to my son for his system (35/75). I have replaced it with a 40/1.4 which I love. The build feels just a bit better (same generation as the PCII I think) and it’s small and fast. I’ve moved my telephoto from an 85/2 to a 105/2.5.


B2 (;->

I have a Bessa R and i am wondering..
If you slap on a 40mm, which frameline am i suppose to use on the R???

I am also new and am looking for a lens.
Keep the suggestions coming!
Thanks to benjaminlr for starting this tread
 
Mark: As you have the Bessa R, look through the viewfinder and toggle the frame selecter between 35 and 50. Do this half a dozen times or so and you will see that approximately halfway between the two framelines is what your 40mm will see. Slightly less than 35, somewhat larger than 50. Should work. I don't know what kind of 40mm you plan on getting, but if it comes with its own clip-on viewfinder, then you have down here in the borderlands, what we would describe as No hay problema.

Ted

PS: Why not get the cv 2.5/35mm Color Skopar (a wonderful lens) and the problem disappears. What's 5mm one way or the other? And if it's speed you're after, get a bunch of Fuji Neopan ISO 1600 and save some money. Speed in a lens costs money; speed in film doesn't.
 
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