cmogi10
Bodhisattva
Discuss...!
phatnev
Well-known
Hell of alot cheaper
roundg
Well-known
CV lenses are good, close to Leica but still not a match. That's what I read, experience and believe.
Leica survives and excel among competitors only because they make best......not by luck.
Leica survives and excel among competitors only because they make best......not by luck.
Fabri970
Member
I think that the CV lenses 're great and inexpensive , the leitz lens're the history of the photography, and when you buy a leica lens you pay the lens and the brand name, if you want to take pictures and save money the Voigtlander 're the best...
pvdhaar
Peter
CV Glass is better then Leica Glass
Could be, but I find neither match the Konica M-Hexanons for fit, finish and feel..
Could be, but I find neither match the Konica M-Hexanons for fit, finish and feel..
Bavaricus
Established
NO!cmogi10 said:Discuss...!
We are Leitz, you will be leitzimated, resistance is futile!
Gid
Well-known
pvdhaar said:Could be, but I find neither match the Konica M-Hexanons for fit, finish and feel..
Agree completely.
I don't think there is very much difference between Leica and CV today. The difference in performance is small enough in most cases to get lost in the mix of all the other factors that determine the final image. CV build quality is very good for the money and if recent Leica QA issues are to be believed then one might start to believe that CV are better (more consistent) quality products. All of this will be heresy to the dyed in the wool Leica fan, but what's new.
Kevin
Rainbow Bridge
cmogi10 said:Discuss...!
My CV lenses manifest vignetting when used wide-open. My Leica glass does not.
rxmd
May contain traces of nut
OK, what else? Err.... CV lenses, when dropped on a tiled floor, give a much nicer "clunk" than Leica lenses: 
hofrench@mac.co
Established
Better in what way? Absolute performance? This assertion would be hard to sustain, certainly across the line. Some CV lenses compete quite nicely with Leica glass, though.
Better value? Depends on how you calculate it. If purchase price is all that counts, absolutely. What about resale, though?
It only makes sense to speak of individual lenses, and I'd be interested in hearing from people who have some basis in real experience comparing competing offerings from CV and Leica.
Better value? Depends on how you calculate it. If purchase price is all that counts, absolutely. What about resale, though?
It only makes sense to speak of individual lenses, and I'd be interested in hearing from people who have some basis in real experience comparing competing offerings from CV and Leica.
retow
Well-known
Marc-A.
I Shoot Film
hofrench@mac.co said:Better in what way? Absolute performance? This assertion would be hard to sustain, certainly across the line. Some CV lenses compete quite nicely with Leica glass, though.
Better value? Depends on how you calculate it. If purchase price is all that counts, absolutely. What about resale, though?
It only makes sense to speak of individual lenses, and I'd be interested in hearing from people who have some basis in real experience comparing competing offerings from CV and Leica.
I agree.
So you're on RFF Howard ( A Glimpse of the World's photos). Your galleries are truly amazing, I love your work!
Best,
Marc-A.
Uncle Bill
Well-known
Owning both Leitz and CV glass and having printed images from both lenses, I would say they are pretty close. However, I would strongly suggest not to forget the Zeiss ZM lens range, from what I have read, they are really sweet.
BillBingham2
Registered User
What follows is MHO, your mileage may varry.......
With older CV glass there was a build difference in the mounts, no question. The newer CV mounts are much better, much closer to Leica.
Both Leica and CV have early quality issues, nobody knows for sure the volumes but you can see/read/hear them here and elsewhere.
ModernLeica glass ('Cron, 'Lux) is ablend of sharpness and feeling at throughout their range..
CV glass is focused on value, uniqueness and flare resistance.
Leica made/makes the best, but at a cost that is often outside of most peoples means.
CV glass is almost as good as Leica ballancing cost with absolute quality.
B2 (;->
With older CV glass there was a build difference in the mounts, no question. The newer CV mounts are much better, much closer to Leica.
Both Leica and CV have early quality issues, nobody knows for sure the volumes but you can see/read/hear them here and elsewhere.
ModernLeica glass ('Cron, 'Lux) is ablend of sharpness and feeling at throughout their range..
CV glass is focused on value, uniqueness and flare resistance.
Leica made/makes the best, but at a cost that is often outside of most peoples means.
CV glass is almost as good as Leica ballancing cost with absolute quality.
B2 (;->
waileong
Well-known
cmogi10 said:Discuss...!
why?
haven't there been enough "this vs that" threads at the various www locations?
Finder
Veteran
This is why I stick with pinhole photography - once the glass is taken out of the equation, there is nothing to worry about.
RHaroldP
Member
Leica is good, but overpriced.
CV is almost as good and priced reasonably.
Financially, if your buying, CV is better. If your selling, Leica is better.
CV is almost as good and priced reasonably.
Financially, if your buying, CV is better. If your selling, Leica is better.
kross
sonnarism
cv is better because i can't afford leica lens....
x-ray
Veteran
Kevin said:My CV lenses manifest vignetting when used wide-open. My Leica glass does not.
The Leica 28mm f2 has considerably more vinyetting at f2 than the CV 28 1.9 - I own the CV and have experience with the Summicron.
The 35 1.2 Nokton has noticably less flare at 1.2 than the Leica summilux asph at 1.4.
The Nokton 50mm 1.5 is ever so slightly sharper and better contrast then the 50mm non asph summilux (latest).
The 35mm summicron asph easily flares and the Nokton 35mm does not.
The CV lenses have smoother tonality than the asph Leica glass.
Leica QC is very poor at the moment. 4 M lenses failed of which my asph summilux 50 was returend from DAG yesterday unrepaired due to faulty manufacturing. Don stated in his opinion the lens was never made righ at the factory and could not be repaired without replacing the focusing mount and floating element assembly. Also my faulty new MP came back from Leica with only one of the two problems fixed.
My CV lenses have had 0 problems! As a matter of fact I ordered a new CV 50 1.5 Nokton yesterday to replace the faulty summilux. I went back and carefully studied the negs under high power magnification from my previous Nokton 50 and found them to be superb even at 1.5. I see so little if any difference I don't know what I was expecting out of the summilux asph. This experience has taught me a good lesson about Leica quality and performance. In the past couple of years of owning CV and leica glass I have absolutely no complaints about the CV but plenty about the Leica.
I say this from experience.
Now how about the ZM glass?
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