Ambro51
Collector/Photographer
This is a Very Deep concept. It touches on reality vs. pictorialism, Art vs. Journalism, Self expression vs. presenting a scene to a viewer. The Camera is the Tool.
benlees
Well-known
It's always both; no way around it.
Not sure presenting your idea as 'either or' is the best way to explore it. YMMV.
Not sure presenting your idea as 'either or' is the best way to explore it. YMMV.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
I've done both. I think the RF is better for recording, and at times the SLR lends itself very well to creating.
markjwyatt
Well-known
I create an image by recording a moment in time.
PaulDalex
Dilettante artist
I started recording and then over time I turned toward creating to the point that I make digital collages.
However it is still a mix of the two, although recently have introduced more composite work.
Looking for example at photos of HBC I always had the feeling that it is as if he forges the external word to produce the images he wants
As I am not as good as him I resort to tricks in photoshop to achieve more creative freedom and work more like a painter, except that I use many photos instead of brushes to compose an image
However it is still a mix of the two, although recently have introduced more composite work.
Looking for example at photos of HBC I always had the feeling that it is as if he forges the external word to produce the images he wants
As I am not as good as him I resort to tricks in photoshop to achieve more creative freedom and work more like a painter, except that I use many photos instead of brushes to compose an image
Michael Markey
Veteran
Always recording for me but the mere fact that you`re using a camera to do this introduces an element of creativity unfortunately .
Horatio
Masked photographer
I create an image by recording a moment in time.
This works for me. Some moments are more compelling than others.
The philosophical issue is candid/spontaneous vs staged.
Archlich
Well-known
The camera dissects and abstracts.
charjohncarter
Veteran
The trick is to create a feeling while presenting a scene to the viewer.
aizan
Veteran
At the end of the day, the camera does neither. It’s the reader who creates meaning.
Axel
singleshooter
Only recording. It is important for me to stay the creator of the picture.
agentlossing
Well-known
I'm not sure calling the question "Very Deep" at the outset constrains anyone to be so deep with their responses! Like others, I'm tempted to reply "Um, both."
Any but the most neutral film, or digital files which have minimal post-processing (or in-camera processing), is going to have an element of "making" to it, as in, the medium's interpretation will not be quite true-to-life, but rather take on the characteristics of the medium. Horatio above boils it down to candid vs. staged, I'm not sure I agree with it being so simple.
Again, it really does come back to "um, both" for me. It's never all one or the other. If we're talking candid vs. staged, it's always candid for me. I don't stage photos, except for the odd portrait of family or the like. Which I only marginally enjoy making - I still prefer candids. It's usually someone else asking me to do the staged ones.
Any but the most neutral film, or digital files which have minimal post-processing (or in-camera processing), is going to have an element of "making" to it, as in, the medium's interpretation will not be quite true-to-life, but rather take on the characteristics of the medium. Horatio above boils it down to candid vs. staged, I'm not sure I agree with it being so simple.
Again, it really does come back to "um, both" for me. It's never all one or the other. If we're talking candid vs. staged, it's always candid for me. I don't stage photos, except for the odd portrait of family or the like. Which I only marginally enjoy making - I still prefer candids. It's usually someone else asking me to do the staged ones.
KismetSky
Established
Only recording. It is important for me to stay the creator of the picture.
I'm of the same mind here. The camera is merely a tool - a light tight box that exposes its medium, whether digital or analog, for a designated time. The individual chooses the camera, the lens, the settings, and what to direct that tool at. We create, the tool records, and the reader interprets.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
robert blu
quiet photographer
I say I want my camera to record the image I create with my vision.
Axel
singleshooter
Ko.Fe. said:I don't see it to be a problem to use camera for both.
Nice examples
But if the second one became artsy because the camera moved itself it seems a bit spooky in my eyes
PKR
Veteran
I say I want my camera to record the image I create with my vision.
Exactly Robert.
The camera is a lifeless tool that records an image.
The camera can't create anything, unless an AI version has been developed?
ptpdprinter
Veteran
Arguing about semantics is pointless.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
This is a Very Deep concept. It touches on reality vs. pictorialism, Art vs. Journalism, Self expression vs. presenting a scene to a viewer. The Camera is the Tool.
The camera by itself is nothing but an inert tool that can do nothing of its own volition. It takes an operator with volition to create a photograph.
A camera is a recording device. It records light in a manner that is a 2 dimensional spatial representation, with either grayscale or polychromatic data, as formed by a lens onto a recording medium. It creates only in the sense of forming that recording based upon the physics of its design and the settings imposed by the person operating it.
The person operating the camera and then rendering the image as formed by it does the creating (or 'making' depending on which word you prefer).
G
Only recording. It is important for me to stay the creator of the picture.
I agree with this, but sometimes the camera can produce a happy mistake.
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