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I was thinking, how's this for an idea?

Instead of having to open the film compartment each time, what about not rewinding the entire film back into its compartment? I mean, when rewinding, we feel that "clicking" motion that says we're all back in, but if we stop just before that (when we feel it's starts to tug), we stop and take it out, with the unexposed portion right at our hands.

Or won't the box be light proof when part of it sticks out? But then again, part of it does stick out when we load the camera... 🙂

Soooo? 🙂
 
I do that. I have an M3 so the film requires a strong tug to get itself out of the film spool and it also clicks as the end of the film hits the frame gate. Just because I'm paranoid though, I roll it exactly such that the sprockets aren't at the felt so that there's more a light-tight box. It makes loading reels much easier.
 
Ohh... I've just been rewinding it all the way. This way I won't have to bother opening the compartment in the dark, and should save me some time.

Thanks for the info! So I can assume it's safe to stop rewinding when I feel I have to tug at the film? How much does that leave me? Just under 10 cm of film?
 
Maybe if the film has to go through the little felt mouth of the canister once when it's being used frame by frame in the camera, a second time when it's rewound, and a third time when you're putting it on a reel; it opens up more to the possibility of scratches from whatever dust or dirt may attach itself to the felt. But then again that might just be neurotic thinking on my behalf...
 
I also have the M3 and I rewind until I feel the tug of the film coming off the spool. I pull the film out with the leader sticking out, as it does when you load the camera, so I can cut off the leader to develop the film. If you develop your own film, this is great.
 
Buy a film leader extracter.

I just rewind all the film into the canister, to prevent accidently shooting the same roll twice. Just before developing I will pull the leader back out, then spool it straight onto the paterson reel (without popping the canister).

There are techniques to get film leaders back out canisters (such as licking a different leader, inserting it then pulling the other leader out the can). But I found these didnt work very good, and most of them time just ended in me getting frustrated.
 
I'll try it for a few films and see if I can notice any difference from other films where I've fully rewinded into the canister..

But as other people are doing it, I'm sure it'll work just fine.
 
There are techniques to get film leaders back out canisters (such as licking a different leader, inserting it then pulling the other leader out the can). But I found these didnt work very good, and most of them time just ended in me getting frustrated.

Have you tried making one with teeth? I made something like this. It took a bit of finagling at first, but if I need to use it, I can.
 
I rewind until I feel the tug of the film coming off the take-up spool and stop there. I keep meaning to stop just before it comes of the spool, because I think it would easier to get the film out of the camera (M2) that way. I find the curl in the leader can make removing the film a bit fiddly. Some cameras put a crease in the end of the leader, so I always put two creases in to indicate an exposed roll. (I almost never rewind a part-used roll, but it seems like a sensible way to ensure there is never any chance of confusion.) I also put in two creases because I've found that the spool on my IIIf doesn't grip some films very well - they can slip out during loading, so I put in a single crease to improve the spool's grip.

I have never seen any ill effect from having only the half-width part of the leader protruding. Light-piping aside, film seems to do fine whether the full width is sticking out, half the width, or the film is fully wound into the cassette.

I also think the scratching risk when loading into a tank is something of a myth. If it really was a risk that one needs to account for, then the net, forums and photo books of yore would be full of tales of people scratching films because they used half a roll, wound it back, and reloaded it later to finish it off. Running the film through the velvet light trap doesn't scratch it. Running it through a trap with grit in it scratches it. Film comes in little round cannisters for a couple of reasons, one of which is keeping it free from foreign material. If you want to minimise the risk of scratching, minimise the time the film spends outside the cannister and outside the camera. No more than a handful of seconds.

When loading onto a reel, I trim the end sqaure and snip off the corners in the light. Then I put it in the changing bag, and load straight from the cassette. Handling a roll of loose film is more fiddly than drawing a few inches out of the cassette, giving the reel a few twiddles, and repeating until the last time the film is drawn out results in it stopping. Aside from that, loading straight from the cassette gives you the option of winding the film back into the cassette if there is a problem with loading. Once you've popped your crimped cassette open, you're committed. If you start having a problem, you risk sweating, and because you now have 5 feet of loose film lying around in the bag, you risk getting sweaty paw prints just where you don't want them (and that will make the hands more sweaty).

Caveat: I don't take pictures in sandstorms. If I did, I might alter my method.
 
My Hexar pauses with the leader out on rewind which us really handy. I try n leave my leader out on my manual rewind cameras and try to hit the button to leave the leader out on my Ricohs too but sometimes in too slow.

When my Hexar's shutter button was playing up I had one half shot roll of film in and out the camera about 6 times so 12 or 14 trips through the velvet and no ill effect.
 
I was thinking, how's this for an idea?

Instead of having to open the film compartment each time, what about not rewinding the entire film back into its compartment? I mean, when rewinding, we feel that "clicking" motion that says we're all back in, but if we stop just before that (when we feel it's starts to tug), we stop and take it out, with the unexposed portion right at our hands.

Or won't the box be light proof when part of it sticks out? But then again, part of it does stick out when we load the camera... 🙂

Soooo? 🙂
Standard practice. Just make sure you fold the leader couple of times to indicate exposed film. First is easier to cut the leader into shape proper for reel loading when you see it than in the dark, second if you are using reloadable cassettes using film extractor will for sure damage the felt over the time.
 
I never rewind completely either. I can feel the change in tension when the leader comes off the take up spool when rewinding, if I'm paying attention. I've learned to pay attention because it's so much easier to load my reels without having to extract the leader from the cassette first.

Timor, I appreciate the tip about folding the leader a few times after rewinding. It sounds so obvious now, but sometimes I have a gift for ignoring the obvious!

I've always left my unexposed rolls in the box, so I always know that any canister of film in my bag, or anywhere else in my possession, that isn't in the cardboard box has been exposed.

If I can remember to always crease the leader a couple of times after exposing a roll, I won't have to carry all that cardboard with me. It doesn't sound like much, but when space is at a premium, that could mean having room in my bag for several more rolls.
 
Rewind all the way into the cassette, it is quicker to change films because you aren't dithering to listen and feel 'is it there yet' if you leave the leader out. And it stops you accidentally putting the film back in the camera just for the sake of convenience.

And don't drag the film back through the light trap by using a leader retrieval tool. You have to assume there is no dust and grit on the felt when loading the film and rewinding it, but to do it voluntarily once again is folly. Just crack the cassette open with a bottle opener. Yes, I know, 'I've never had a problem', I can hear it now. But putting the film back into the canera because the leader is left out, and scratching it by dragging it back through the light seal, are mistakes waiting to happen. And if it hasn't happened yet it will because everything goes wrong at least once.

The whole process of film handling should be about eliminating error, not inventing new ways for errors to occur.🙂

Steve
 
When using canisters second/third time in cameras w/ manual transport I open camera in darkness, cut film (or detach sticky tape) and load film from take-up spool to reels (ensuring transport is freed before). Just to skip another travel of film through felt gate.
 
I do leader-out rewinds as well where I can - much faster in the darkbag, and if I have trouble with loading the reel I can rewind it back into the canister and put it all aside for later.

I mark rolls with their sequential number and date as I load them into the camera, and then tear the tongue off the leader when I remove them from the camera - that way I know a roll is already exposed because it's so marked and also because the leader isn't suitable for loading.

I'm still after a command back for my F100 so I can program it to do it itself - a modern version of the auto-stop backs they used to make 😛
 
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