Epson V800 & V850 Pro

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This seems to have gone unnoticed on this forum, so thought I'd share:

http://www.blur-magazine.com/journal/epson-launches-benchmark-flatbed-film-photo-scanners

I'm wondering if the new scanners are a bit smaller... no mention of them being able to scan 8x10" and also the new holders can handle less film at a time:

4x5" has gone from two sheets to one.
Medium format has gone from two strips to one.
35mm has gone from four strips to three.

Any other noticeable differences?
 
Interesting. Thanks.

Looks as if the scan area is large enough to do two strips of 120, based on the slide holder area. Maybe it was for stability that they went to one strip. Well, the odds are that an after-market or home-made holder might allow for two strips at once.
 
They don't appear smaller....the holder's look to have more plastic in between strips and hence more sturdy, presumably designed to hold the negatives flatter than the older ones. Hopefully they will make the holders available separately to buy, to use with older scanners.
 
I also just noticed that the new V800/850 holders come with anti-newton ring plates, to mount directly onto the holder to keep the film more flat. Maybe that's why the holders needed to be more rigid and hence had to sacrifice some real estate to accomplish this.
 
DavidKKHansen said:
This seems to have gone unnoticed on this forum, so thought I'd share:

http://www.blur-magazine.com/journal/epson-launches-benchmark-flatbed-film-photo-scanners

I'm wondering if the new scanners are a bit smaller... no mention of them being able to scan 8x10" and also the new holders can handle less film at a time:

4x5" has gone from two sheets to one.
Medium format has gone from two strips to one.
35mm has gone from four strips to three.

Any other noticeable differences?
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Going from the other thread http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144582 it appears there's height adjustments on those new film holders. Unless I'm mixing up what's what.
 
Epson could have introduced better holders, sturdier with more refined height adjustments, years ago. Instead people have been using the Betterscanning holders (precise height adjustments and ANR glass) with the V700. So apart from a slight increase in pixels the new scanner is a late catch up job, not a leap forward, and a step backwards if it can't now do 8x10.

Steve
 
V-12 said:
Epson could have introduced better holders, sturdier with more refined height adjustments, years ago. Instead people have been using the Betterscanning holders (precise height adjustments and ANR glass) with the V700. So apart from a slight increase in pixels the new scanner is a late catch up job, not a leap forward, and a step backwards if it can't now do 8x10.

Steve
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The 850 apparently has a better lens and coatings that could improve contrast and resolution
 
V-12 said:
Epson could have introduced better holders, sturdier with more refined height adjustments, years ago. Instead people have been using the Betterscanning holders (precise height adjustments and ANR glass) with the V700. So apart from a slight increase in pixels the new scanner is a late catch up job, not a leap forward, and a step backwards if it can't now do 8x10.

Steve
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Scanning technology hasn't improved a whole lot in the last 10 years, I think they just want to put something new on the shelves.

Also, people with the need of a high quality scanner for film negatives are few, I am surprised they still manufacture them! (God bless their souls of course for doing so...)

I think I'll stick to the V750 and will look into getting the renewed betterscanning holder once they release it.

Ben
 
i wonder if they did something about the outgassing problem of the plastic inside the scanner, or does it still fog the glass after half a year?
At least they should make it real easy to take the glass off for cleaning ;)
 
Also, i don't get why their own software does not allow for multi-pass scanning.
Or maybe i dont have the latest version... i've updated it bout a year ago i think, or more.
 
The data from the Epson homepage (in Japanese) state:

max. size: 216×297mm（8.5×11.7インチ）
 
I don't think they have touched the optical performance at all. They would be boasting about it if they had. These are the exact same scanners as 700 and 750 with LED light source and new holders. There is no 8x10 holder, but from the size of 35mm stripe holder you can say the scanner is capable of scanning 8x10 sheets. And by the way, that LED light source will definitely solve the famous problem of gassing. Instead, it will introduce a new problem called harsh grain reproduction, as we have all experienced on nikon scanners.
 
mszargar said:
And by the way, that LED light source will definitely solve the famous problem of gassing. Instead, it will introduce a new problem called harsh grain reproduction, as we have all experienced on nikon scanners.
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I have never heard of such a thing in my life. But I don't read too much about scanners anymore having bought a Screen Cezanne (and just got new bulbs that cost almost as much as an Epson). Anyway, do you have a link, source, or test that shows this?
 
I am guessing it is a typo and that his post is missing the word "not" so that it would read "that LED light source will definitely 'not' solve"? Changing a light source isn't going to solve the out-gassing problem.

Yes, it does seem like a classic Epson repacking of old technology scanning optics versus a new better optics system.

Doug
 
I'm all to aware of the problem with harsh light sources (and very narrow DOF of the lens) amplifying grain with scanners like the Minolta Multi Pro (which was also the problem with the Nikon 9000). But it may not be the case with the new Epson scanner. I'm guessing they must have enough DOF in the lens to accommodate the coarse height adjustments (focus) in the film holders, so perhaps a brighter light and DOF will scan the depth of the film rather than the surface, so scanning all the grain and giving a better look than the Minolta or Nikon approach. Even though lower resolution the film look of the V700 was far better (with the Betterscanning holder) than my Multi Pro. In a similar way the Plustek 120 does this by again doing away with a focus option and use a brighter light with a wider DOF (we are only talking about fractions), and this scanner again gives a much more natural film look over the Minolta/Nikon option yet at the same resolution.

As for the new Epson holders I'm baffled. The had horrible cheap holders that everybody complained about, so it seems that what they've done is use the same cheap plastic, but more of it to gain some rigidity, so limiting the number of film strips compared with the V700. And to compensate they are supplying two sets of holders! Wouldn't some more robust plastic have done the same job more effectively, and still allow for more film strips? After all Betterscanning can do it with their 120 holders.


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Pherdinand said:
i wonder if they did something about the outgassing problem of the plastic inside the scanner, or does it still fog the glass after half a year?
At least they should make it real easy to take the glass off for cleaning ;)
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I've found that to be a real PITA with my V700 ... I've had it apart about four times now to clean the glass and I can't help but wonder how much of this fog is on the lens!

I don't see enough changes in the specs to justify changing from my current V700.
 
Can anyone with a V800 tell me if you can include black borders around your 35mm scans like I believe you could with the V700?


Thanks!
 
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