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Bill Pierce

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The one constant criticism I hear directed at digital photography is “People take too many pictures.” That’s silly. I would replace it with “People don’t throw away enough bad attempts at pictures." There is no inherent sin in pushing the button. It would be stupid not to if there was a chance that there was a good picture possible.

I do think it is possible to keep too many “possibilities.” But that’s preferable to throwing away ‘keepers.” No question that we shoot less with film. It costs money. There is a significant delay between taking and seeing the picture which tends to keep us from pressing the button until the moment was just right. And, of course, that is added to by the fact that your film load is 36 or 20 or 12 or 8 frames - unless you are shooting sheet film holders which have a very low score on the frames per second chart (which somehow never stopped the folks who shot sports with Graflexes and Graphics).

Should that keep us from taking advantage of the film equivalent of an endless roll and a fast, motorized drive? That would be silly. I’m not suggesting you should spray shoot a landscape, and I have seen photographers shoot so rapidly and copiously that I seriously doubted whether they were really looking at the subject. But that’s their problem.

The real problem with high volume digital photography is the same one as high volume film photography. If you look at Bresson’s contact sheet, he shot a lot of frames and selected very few for printing. I think Gary Winogrand had it right when he didn’t select the frames he would print until enough time has passed that he thought he was making a more objective selection.

There comes a time when that giant RAID box starts of fill up and slow down. I think it’s then that you go into your digital files and carefully discard a few. I have to confess, I throw away obvious misses right away, something that doesn’t work with strips of film. And every once in awhile I look at much older pictures. It’s easy to do on a computer. I see memories that should be kept. I see a few rather good pictures. But I also look at images and say, “What did you think you were doing?” And I do something that was unheard of in my film days. I erase the image. I’ve even contemplated throwing away some negatives.

Your thoughts (including “Is Pierce an idiot?”).
 
As of now, I have around ten thousands JPEG1 files as family album. But it is never enough 🙂

I'm close to idiot on portraits. Good portrait from me is coincidence. With digital I have to take one shot to understand how camera reads exposure. This one goes deleted. And after it I take several pictures, because person would blink on me, have strange face and so on. I'm lucky if one image is going to be in focus and face is normal.

Burst mode almost never worked for me for anything else. BIF, racing; I'm using tracking AF and frame it constantly. So, I need only few frames.

Bresson stuff... I don't make it for living as he was. I'm not dependent as he was. If I missed it due to "one moment, one frame" rule I have, it is good excuse to wait, comeback and re-take it...

I'm finding it difficult not so much on taking, but dealing with too much negatives and files. It is not something I want to spend my time in photography. If I have more than two hundreds frames to deal with, it takes away my guts feeling and it becomes boring processing routine.
 
As of now, I have around ten thousands JPEG1 files as family album. But it is never enough 🙂

I'm close to idiot on portraits. Good portrait from me is coincidence. With digital I have to take one shot to understand how camera reads exposure. This one goes deleted. And after it I take several pictures, because person would blink on me, have strange face and so on. I'm lucky if one image is going to be in focus and face is normal.

Burst mode almost never worked for me for anything else. BIF, racing; I'm using tracking AF and frame it constantly. So, I need only few frames.

Bresson stuff... I don't make it for living as he was. I'm not dependent as he was. If I missed it due to "one moment, one frame" rule I have, it is good excuse to wait, comeback and re-take it...

I'm finding it difficult not so much on taking, but dealing with too much negatives and files. It is not something I want to spend my time in photography. If I have more than two hundreds frames to deal with, it takes away my guts feeling and it becomes boring processing routine.

HBC wasn't dependent on photography for money. he came from a wealthy family that were in textiles.
 
Cloud storage is cheap.

If I press that button 10,000 times, I may store up to 10,000 images; actually 20,000 because my DSLR's are set to create both RAW and jpeg with each press of the button.

Of that, 9,999 may be crap, but I shoot for myself so no harm, no foul.
 
I tend to shoot digital like I shoot film. If I don't think the image has possibilities, I don't press the shutter button. Who wants to review and delete scores of images you shouldn't have taken to begin with. It's a waste of time and energy. I also tend to be a fairly ruthless editor because I like to print my keepers.
 
I've had a quick look in my Lightroom catalogue. Roughly 400 photos spanning the 14 years since I became interested in photography. This year I've taken about a dozen shots.

In case this gives the impression that I'm not serious about photography, that couldn't be further from the truth: I spent two of those years studying for an MA degree in photography being taught by Magnum photographer whilst holding down my day job, simply to improve my images!

The issue is not that people take too many photos but that they do so thoughtlessly. Every time I press the shutter button I know exactly why I'm doing so, and the scene is as good as it can be and will create a successful photo (my bottom line is that I must end up with a well-composed, technically perfect photo that conveys exactly what I intend - if there's something "off", ruining the composition, say, then I simply don't take rhe photo). Sometimes the scene may be fleeting, so I have limited time and the moment will never repeat; sometimes I have all the time I need - I am currently doing a project on the urban environment, and over 4 years I've taken about 100 photos, and for some I returned to the same spot over a year or more without taking a photo until the conditions were" right".

So, it is not about waiting for perfection but knowing when a good photo is possible, and when not. If I decide to press the shutter button, I'm simply making real the picture that I've already envisioned in my mind. None of my photographs are accidents.

I guess I approach photography like a painter...
 
Because it is raining with gale force winds I am in front of my computer today editing rather than shooting and thus doing the subject of this thread. Part of this editing is separating true keepers from mere possibilities and discarding the latter. The folder I am working on presently (in Lightroom) has just under 700 images taken of my favorite subject - salmon. All shot on the same day in the same stream from noon to 5 pm (the light window as trees cast shadows on it earlier and light levels are too low after 5 to stop action). This was not an atypical shoot.

Not sure how many images I have taken but my Lightroom library has just over 1/2 million images in it. I probably shot twice that many as many have already been deleted. The best of my shots are on my website. These number just a few hundred so I have < 1% of my images on-line. I have a photo agent as well with a higher percentage of my images.

Besides these digital shots I have decades of film negatives going back to my childhood in the 60's. Presently thinking about what to do with those as well. Maybe some discarding needs to be done.
 
I was thinking of this kind of in reverse the other day.

Sure I probably burn up more frames in digital, but if I go out to shoot something and grab one of the {d-word} cameras, I'll compose, shoot, review, and then go back and edit and maybe print.

With film, I'll be more tempted to bracket, change the angle a bit to be sure I've got it, and, of course, finish out the roll. 🙂
 
Sometimes I make a lot of exposures in a short time. Most of the time I make a few exposures over a long time. It doesn't matter whether I'm using film or digital capture, it's just how I work.

I often feel I should have made a couple more exposures when I'm working with an important subject, but every time I do, I realize that most of the 'extra' exposures were just a waste of time anyway.

Some of my photographer friends laugh at how I shoot. "You're missing the point of digital photography ... It doesn't cost anything to shoot ten timess as much and you have more material to work with." That's true, but it doesn't fit my photographic bent.

I guess I'm saying that I see nothing wrong with shooting a lot, a little, or anything you're comfortable with. There's nothing to sweat about in any case ... there are an infinity of photo possibilities in the world ... you're not going to get them all or even a significant fraction of them. Look, see, nab whatever photos make your heart sing. Doing that can only be good for you.

G
 
Culling thousands of digital files sounds dead boring, even more so than editing some.
I'll stick to looking at my latest proof sheet and choosing a few to try to print, thanks...

Chris
 
With me, it depends on the situation at the shoot. I mostly use my DSLR like a film camera, only taking one or two frames per photo subject. But it's nice to be able to switch up, and blast away on action, or not having to worry about changing rolls just when something interesting is happening.

Of course, if one can afford it, having an apprentice/intern along reloading the camera while you grab the other body with a fresh roll in it is pretty nice. But that was then. Now days, one probably doesn't have the time to shoot film for an event, unless you are working on spec.

My biggest reason for taking extra shots when using the DSLR is to establish a record of where I was at the moment by getting road signs and such that I'll never use as a photo in a story, but it's quicker than stopping everything to write it down.

PF
 
I've always found it odd that with digital cameras some people just hold the button down. When working with Kodachrome, I used 2 cameras and double shot anything I could. I did this so I could separate lab batches to Kodak (never had a problem) and cover for a possible camera problem (never had one of those).

The most film I shot in a typical day was about 10 rolls. That's 360 frames, half of which were dupes. Of the remaining 180, they were double shot bracketed.

When working with a digital camera. I don't get excessive in my exposures. I think my use is close to my film use. Spending hours editing in LR isn't any more enjoyable than spending hours over a light table.

I guess I'm an anomaly with massive numbers of exposures. My studio pal with a phase one back on his 4x5, exposes fewer frames than I do..by a good measure.

I have photographed events, like a fast aircraft landing, where I used the highest frame rate possible and just followed the craft for as long as I could. But, at 300 MPH with a long lens, I only got about 25 frames. I needed one good one and got several.
 
If you start beating yourself up about how many exposures you're taking to get the occasional result you are really satisfied with you're letting the process dominate you. We all function differently and there should be no inhibition in how an individual goes about what they do.
 
... I would replace it with “People don’t throw away enough bad attempts at pictures." ...

I agree completely.

Editing (image selection, not post-production rendering aesthetics) requires practice and discipline. This is an important part of photography and it is hard work.


...There comes a time when that giant RAID box starts of fill up and slow down. ...

I am about to replace two, 2TB external drives of original raw files (main and a back up). For raw-file archives, I am about to upgrade to the next generation (for me) of USB transfer speed. This will cost about $200 (two, 3 TB, USB3 external drives). My current drives will be repurposed as off-site backups. My oldest (slowest) USB drives will be securely wiped and recycled. So far, not counting electricity) raw-file storage hardware cost me about $50 a year for two, 2 TB of raw-file storage.

...I think it’s then that you go into your digital files and carefully discard a few. I have to confess, I throw away obvious misses right away, something that doesn’t work with strips of film.
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When I was doing gigs automatically saved every a copy of every raw file upon import to LR. When I stopped doing gigs that became a bad habit.

Now I take a close look before import and do not save obviously flawed raw. I often auto-bracket three exposures at base ISO. During post-production rendering, I only keep the one with optimum exposure (usually judged by highlight retention).

My winter project is to cull a lot of the images in my current LR catalog.
 
I grew up with film and film was expensive enough to be careful when shooting!

I still shoot film and sometimes digital. With digital a little more. I would say in the occasion where I had shot two rolls of film (72 exposure) with digital I shoot maybe 100 maximum 120 frames. I take some risky photos. But my friends digital native beside me in the same occasion they fire 4-500 shots!

After importing the 100-120 files in LR when possible (most of times, I'm a simple amateur!)
I wait a couple of week than is editing time: the 120 become not more than 25-30 included a few bad ones I keep for experimenting.

I feel to be one of the not many photographers who like editing...even if it's a tough job!

robert
 
Day long events with up to fifty participants even without holding the button down adds up to a lot of shots .... usually around 800 for me.

With everybody expecting to see the results later in the evening you need to be pretty rough and ready on the editing.
I upload the jegs later that night.

I rarely keep any of the days shoot myself just wipe it.

The pros I know who do sort of stuff have it rougher .
The customer wants to see the image with a view to taking away a print before they leave the event.

Their solution is to burst shoot ,wait until the card is full , give it to an assistant who uploads it to a workstation .

The customer looks through all the raw shots and decides which they like then its printed.

No editing of any kind .
 
Day long events with up to fifty participants even without holding the button down adds up to a lot of shots .... usually around 800 for me.

With everybody expecting to see the results later in the evening you need to be pretty rough and ready on the editing.
I upload the jegs later that night.

I rarely keep any of the days shoot myself just wipe it.

The pros I know who do sort of stuff have it rougher .
The customer wants to see the image with a view to taking away a print before they leave the event.

Their solution is to burst shoot ,wait until the card is full , give it to an assistant who uploads it to a workstation .

The customer looks through all the raw shots and decides which they like then its printed.

No editing of any kind .
Doesn't sound like a very satisfying endeavor, but it does put food on the table.
 
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