GaryLH
Veteran
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujiguys-appeal-to-adobe-and-apple-14mm-test-shots/
According to this it looks like Fuji is getting frustrated with them.. They ave got all the info. Given that capture one has stepped up their game and Fuji had now outed apple and adobe, the gall is now in their court.
Gary
According to this it looks like Fuji is getting frustrated with them.. They ave got all the info. Given that capture one has stepped up their game and Fuji had now outed apple and adobe, the gall is now in their court.
Gary
back alley
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hard to blame fuji for losing patience after all the negative comments directed at them on the net from so many...
drewbarb
picnic like it's 1999
Let's hope this moves Adobe and Apple to action. I WANT to buy a Fuji, but there's no way I'm going to spend $1000 just to shoot jpegs or use in-camera raw processing; and I'm enough of a Luddite with the computer that I don't have the desire, willingness or the heart to buy and learn yet another software package. Waiting for the big players to offer good raw support for is the main thing keeping me from getting one of these cameras, which is pretty frustrating.
hxpham
Established
Fuji could always adopt the open DNG format... But nope.
Just trying to play devil's advocate here.
Just trying to play devil's advocate here.
GaryLH
Veteran
Fuji could always adopt the open DNG format... But nope.
Just trying to play devil's advocate here.
If I understand the base issue here, I think that this would only work if the camera was using a Bayer matrix... The sw import would still need to figure out the xtran matrix.
Gary
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
What is their logic behind not adopting DNG? Maybe photo processing software providers are frustrated with their unwillingness to adopt a standard and adding yet another format to support?
Playing devil's avocado also.
Playing devil's avocado also.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
They could have developed a chip which would do all of that figuring-out and then bundle the DNG file?
True, it may be frustrating not to get their format supported, but if they had had a competent VP for their department, they would have pushed for in-camera DNGs to avoid this situation. Surely they were lead by the "oh, let the software makers deal with this!"
Intertoobes-clarification: this is not an attack on Gary; I'm using Gary's assertion to further my argument/hypothesis.
GaryLH
Veteran
Back in the early days before raw became popular, one of the supported file formats was tiff as well..
I suspect they initially may have been Japan centric where it appears silkypix is fine in that market and that other vendors would not be hard to convince to support their raw once they had enough info on what needed to be done given how quickly adobe in the past supported new cameras.
But I agree w/ u they did not do their homework very well on this front. It is the product managers that have the main roll here normally, not the vp..
Gary
I suspect they initially may have been Japan centric where it appears silkypix is fine in that market and that other vendors would not be hard to convince to support their raw once they had enough info on what needed to be done given how quickly adobe in the past supported new cameras.
But I agree w/ u they did not do their homework very well on this front. It is the product managers that have the main roll here normally, not the vp..
Gary
achi4
Member
For many years I have used Photoshop as well as Lightroom since it came out, but I quickly got Capture One when I purchased my Olympus E1 and since then it has always been my developer of choice for my Leica M8 and M9 files and others because of the quality.
Version 7PRO is really superior for my M9 files and the beta which I am testing with XPRO1 and X-E1 files is by far the best for these cameras.
I only use LR4 and CS6 for some of their features and filters after processing in C1.
I can only recommend giving the free 30 day trial which is fully fuctional a whirl.
I am not connected to Phase One in any way (retired architect)
Version 7PRO is really superior for my M9 files and the beta which I am testing with XPRO1 and X-E1 files is by far the best for these cameras.
I only use LR4 and CS6 for some of their features and filters after processing in C1.
I can only recommend giving the free 30 day trial which is fully fuctional a whirl.
I am not connected to Phase One in any way (retired architect)
celluloidprop
Well-known
Hmmm... while Adobe (and Apple) may have "the required docs" to properly process X-Trans images, we don't know how that translates into coding time/effort.
The XPro-1/XE-1 and now X100S are pretty niche items - it may not be fair to expect Adobe to devote team members and hours to the Fuji X line for a small percentage of users. Assuming that with the documentation it would still take some work on Adobe's part.
In which case, it's on Fuji to encourage Adobe (perhaps with $$$?) to do so.
The XPro-1/XE-1 and now X100S are pretty niche items - it may not be fair to expect Adobe to devote team members and hours to the Fuji X line for a small percentage of users. Assuming that with the documentation it would still take some work on Adobe's part.
In which case, it's on Fuji to encourage Adobe (perhaps with $$$?) to do so.
swoop
Well-known
Fuji could always adopt the open DNG format... But nope.
Just trying to play devil's advocate here.
Seriously. That was the whole point behind Adobe's DNG open standard. That this support for new RAW formats every time a new camera is released is put to an end.
There are other utilities in development that will actually offer additional RAW conversion functionality over the Adobe/Apple/Phase triumvirate, while allowing users to stay with their preferred photo management platform.
AccuRaw, for Mac OS More here.
GaryLH
Veteran
Actually... Now that I tink more about this.. I remember that adobe dng converter will work and create a dng file that older versions of LR 3 and ps 3 and 5.1, ps elements 6 can open. However, when u try this w/ aperture, or iPhoto it just opens as an complete black colored image.. Thus the issue is w/ apple with dng support.
Gary
gavinlg
Veteran
Do people realize that lightroom and ACR actually do work just fine with fuji raw files? Because they do. I have 150 photos in my lightroom library right now, and they're good files.
The 'problems' are overblown. Capture One now works too, and it's a slightly better conversion. TBH this whole ordeal is extremely overblown. ACR has supported the x-trans file for like 6 months.
The 'problems' are overblown. Capture One now works too, and it's a slightly better conversion. TBH this whole ordeal is extremely overblown. ACR has supported the x-trans file for like 6 months.
Granary Studio
Newbie
Couldn't agree more, LR 4.2 works fine for the the vast majority of processing, but I have to say that the jpegs are so good from the XE1 that in most cases I will use them as the normal shooting mode,
Regards neil
gavinlg
Veteran
Well the thing is that when adobe update the processing algorithm all your old photos will be updated anyway - it's not like they've all been converted and stay that way forever. If they were DNG files, that's what would happen. Which is why I will never use DNG files.
Lss
Well-known
There is no Aperture support, which remains a problem for Aperture users, overblown or not blown at all.
btgc
Veteran
Now I'm trying to gather if Bayer relates to sensor or filter(s). In any case, if some kind of color filters array (there are several, and X-Trans has another, irregular, modification) is in front of sensor (unlike Foveon or 3CCD systems) then software has to interpret raw data to build up color information.
I think Fuji had to buy Foveon tech somewhere in past to develop instead of inventing new and new bicycles.
I agree... except for when there is green folliage in my photos.
GaryLH
Veteran
I have actually settled on RPP as my Fuji raw sw processor due to the ability to drag and drop a bunch of raw files and it will do a batch conversion... RPP is not a very friendly UI on the other hand. C1 looks like it is doing a better job than RPP, LR or adobe dng to ps route.
My main point was more regarding aperture then LR, since aperture is my preferred sw. In terms of LR, c1 looks better, so adobe still needs to step up their game to compete. Before c1, I liked RPP better, but LR UI is much better to RPP. If it was not for the batch processing capability, I would have settled on LR.
Gary