Takkun
Ian M.
Now that I've got RFs back, its time to get back into shooting. The last couple years haven't been too great for me photographically—lent my X100 and most of my Nikon gear to a relative, dropped my one good Nikkor (a cheap 28mm but has a long story and sentimental value) while moving homes, had the RF go out on the Bessa and a shutter self-destruct on the M8. Left me with a duct-taped Bronica and little patience for medium format.
I've been doing some video work, using my RF lenses on a Panasonic AF100, a M43 camcorder, and my 35 LTM Ultron was the go-to. Picked it up used from a local shop at a great price and condition, and it's been a favorite, other than the infamous barrel wobble. I probably opened it up and re-tightened the front four times.
With the M8 back, I popped it on and every shot was smeary and blurry, like the lens had a dollop of Vaseline on it. After pulling it open again, I found every element loose, and tightening got things close, but still very soft at anything wider than f/8. I don't mean test-chart softness, but unusably soft. I probably never noticed it on HD video.
That was the proverbial last straw with this lens. It was fantastic optically and a great size and speed; while I like the Nokton's size (I've got the similarly sized 25/4) I fall into the camp of disliking the rendering.
While searching for the new M-mount Ultron, eBay found me a black Biogon 35/2, used, for a can't-ignore price. So far, from what I've seen, I'm a fan, much more so than other 35s on the market (at least that I can afford). I'm sure many share my sentiment that I don't care so much about lens correction, corner sharpness, etc so much as a pleasant image rendering. What I'd really love is a vintage Nikkor or Canon, but good luck finding a fast one.
I'm wondering if I'll miss the extra half-stop of speed, or if I'd be happy with the 7artisans lens I'm seeing raved about, but I think in the back of my head I'd still be pining for a Zeiss.
Now the question is what to do with the Ultron. I could have it repaired at a local tech who I know works on it, but I don't know if i can trust it; on the other hand, I'd feel it's a disservice to sell it as-is.
At any rate, should be getting the lens in next week
I've been doing some video work, using my RF lenses on a Panasonic AF100, a M43 camcorder, and my 35 LTM Ultron was the go-to. Picked it up used from a local shop at a great price and condition, and it's been a favorite, other than the infamous barrel wobble. I probably opened it up and re-tightened the front four times.
With the M8 back, I popped it on and every shot was smeary and blurry, like the lens had a dollop of Vaseline on it. After pulling it open again, I found every element loose, and tightening got things close, but still very soft at anything wider than f/8. I don't mean test-chart softness, but unusably soft. I probably never noticed it on HD video.
That was the proverbial last straw with this lens. It was fantastic optically and a great size and speed; while I like the Nokton's size (I've got the similarly sized 25/4) I fall into the camp of disliking the rendering.
While searching for the new M-mount Ultron, eBay found me a black Biogon 35/2, used, for a can't-ignore price. So far, from what I've seen, I'm a fan, much more so than other 35s on the market (at least that I can afford). I'm sure many share my sentiment that I don't care so much about lens correction, corner sharpness, etc so much as a pleasant image rendering. What I'd really love is a vintage Nikkor or Canon, but good luck finding a fast one.
I'm wondering if I'll miss the extra half-stop of speed, or if I'd be happy with the 7artisans lens I'm seeing raved about, but I think in the back of my head I'd still be pining for a Zeiss.
Now the question is what to do with the Ultron. I could have it repaired at a local tech who I know works on it, but I don't know if i can trust it; on the other hand, I'd feel it's a disservice to sell it as-is.
At any rate, should be getting the lens in next week
raid
Dad Photographer
I have a Biogon and I have been thinking of getting an Ultron. The opposite of what you are thinking of doing. It is not based on any optical performance or quality. I like to try out many lenses.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
I love the LTM 35mm aspherical Ultron, above all the black paint version. Optically it is extremely good. I've never had any mechanical issues with mine. I have the lens 15 years or so.
The lens is made of brass-colored aluminium that is painted black. After some time it looks like a brass lens painted black, a beautiful patina.
I understand that the lens is hard to get. No wonder if you ask me.
Erik.
The lens is made of brass-colored aluminium that is painted black. After some time it looks like a brass lens painted black, a beautiful patina.
I understand that the lens is hard to get. No wonder if you ask me.
Erik.
Takkun
Ian M.
I think I might have just had bad luck with mine, as I have with my cameras in general as of late. From online reports (which we all know are skewed towards complaints, generally), some specimens were hit and miss on how tightened down they were.
On the other hand, I totally agree on the brassing: it happened alarmingly quickly but looks lovely, especially with the patina of black chrome bodies.
On the other hand, I totally agree on the brassing: it happened alarmingly quickly but looks lovely, especially with the patina of black chrome bodies.
raid
Dad Photographer
The black version of the CV lens is available for sale online.
santino
FSU gear head
Sold the Biogon, bought the 28 Elmarit, never looked back.
The Biogon was optically a top performer, but the mechanics were not build up to Leica quality...
Anyways, have fun with the lens
- it produces great pictures and is def. better build ghan your Voigtländer lens.
The Biogon was optically a top performer, but the mechanics were not build up to Leica quality...
Anyways, have fun with the lens
- it produces great pictures and is def. better build ghan your Voigtländer lens.
raid
Dad Photographer
I am more into using the pre-asph Summilux 35/1.4. It is a magical lens to me.
Takkun
Ian M.
Raid—want a trade? Kidding, of course.
Looking through images shot with the Ultron, I always found it a very nice, neutral-looking lens on the M8, and a good general wide-ish for film. A particular favorite example.
But now it's gone aggravatingly soft, at least enough for me to notice and be bothered: quick shot of my kitchen counter and crop of the focus point.
After this little trip through my archives and everyone's commentary, I'm starting to get nostalgic and maybe I'll just see what the cost on adjustment is. I don't need three 35's... but doesn't hurt!
One of these days I'll own non-Canadian Leitz glass. But the Zeiss, while still made by Cosina, seems a good all-round compromise. I want something fast and light, and with some character, for evening shots and the people photos I actually get paid for; I want good correction and contrast for cityscapes and landscapes I pack an RF for. Can't win them all.
As an aside, while at my parents' I dug out my father's old Contax RTS and Yashica-made Planar 50/1.4 and might shoot some rolls with it. Is the current Planar the same formula? Just curious.
Looking through images shot with the Ultron, I always found it a very nice, neutral-looking lens on the M8, and a good general wide-ish for film. A particular favorite example.
But now it's gone aggravatingly soft, at least enough for me to notice and be bothered: quick shot of my kitchen counter and crop of the focus point.
After this little trip through my archives and everyone's commentary, I'm starting to get nostalgic and maybe I'll just see what the cost on adjustment is. I don't need three 35's... but doesn't hurt!
One of these days I'll own non-Canadian Leitz glass. But the Zeiss, while still made by Cosina, seems a good all-round compromise. I want something fast and light, and with some character, for evening shots and the people photos I actually get paid for; I want good correction and contrast for cityscapes and landscapes I pack an RF for. Can't win them all.
As an aside, while at my parents' I dug out my father's old Contax RTS and Yashica-made Planar 50/1.4 and might shoot some rolls with it. Is the current Planar the same formula? Just curious.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
These shots of you are not soft, but unsharp.
The rear optical group can be easily turned out. I think this part has been loosened. You just have to tighten it again. Don't touch the glass with your fingers.
Erik.
The rear optical group can be easily turned out. I think this part has been loosened. You just have to tighten it again. Don't touch the glass with your fingers.
Erik.
Takkun
Ian M.
Erik, can you clarify about soft vs unsharp? as I'm looking at that kitchen counter image, it does in fact look like that knocked-over bottle of vanilla extract is slightly better than the focus point, but that could be my eyes/staring at this at 100% for too long.
When I took this lens out of the bag for the first time an a while, that was true, the rear group was horribly loose (as were the internal elements of the front and rear on disassembly). I've since tightened them all up, and yet the problem persists. Perhaps something is decentered.
(Mods: since this thread is leaning toward discussing the Ultron and diagnosis, feel free to move the thread if necessary)
When I took this lens out of the bag for the first time an a while, that was true, the rear group was horribly loose (as were the internal elements of the front and rear on disassembly). I've since tightened them all up, and yet the problem persists. Perhaps something is decentered.
(Mods: since this thread is leaning toward discussing the Ultron and diagnosis, feel free to move the thread if necessary)
Erik van Straten
Veteran
Your shots have normal contrast. "Soft" is when the light tones are too dark and the dark tones are too light, low contrast in other words.
"Unsharp" is when the pictures are blurred optically, as if you by accident have your wife's glasses on instead of your own.
Erik.
maggieo
More Deadly
Looking at the sample photo, the bottle behind the laptop is quite sharp and in focus. This looks more like focus shift to me.
And I should know, I went through a couple of Nokton Classic 35's to find a keeper.
And I should know, I went through a couple of Nokton Classic 35's to find a keeper.
Erik van Straten
Veteran
rfaspen
[insert pithy phrase here]
What's wrong with the Biogon? I have one and I consider it my most perfect 35. At least among the 35's I own -- which would be a Nokton 35/1.4, various Summarons (2.8 and 3.5), and Skopar in M mount, and 35/2.8, in OM, and 35/2.8 Nikkor, and others I just can't recall right now. I don't have a summilux or summicron, but I suspect those are the only competitors to my Biogon. I do rather desire a v1, 2, 3, or 4 summicron only for the size of the lens. I don't think I gain optical performance over the Biogon with any of those.
Never used the Ultron. In fact I don't think I've even held one. So.....what do I know?
Never used the Ultron. In fact I don't think I've even held one. So.....what do I know?
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
I'm interested in this lens--the 35/2 Biogon--myself. I also am recently reading good things about the f/2.8 Biogon. I have several 35s, my favorite focal length, always seem to want more to try out!
raid
Dad Photographer
I bought a Biogon 35/2 a year ago or so. It seems to be an excellent lens. The images have a high contrast rendering. I also have several other 35mm lenses, including the Summicron V1 and Summilux V2 and Nikkor 35/1.8 and Canon 35/2.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
My LTM black Ultron became loose within few months, because it was the only one lens in use. Skopar 35 2.5 PII which was in same use mode lasted one year before it became loose, including focus tab.
I counted eight black LTM Ultrons today.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Which Leica 35mm lens would the Zeiss Biogon 35/2 be most similar to in rendering? And the Biogon 35/2.8? How would the 2.8 compare to my 2.8 Summaron, for instance?
jbharrill1
Established
WHat did you end up doing about the color skopar working itself loose? Fix yourself, send it back, just deal with it?
mcfingon
Western Australia
I don't think any Leica lens renders quite like a Biogon. It's idiosyncratic, with its big curved bits of glass. Very high contrast, sharp in the centre wide-open. The only thing in this shot that's sharp is my son's left eye, which is what I think makes it interesting.
Sony A7S ZM Biogon 35/2 at f2
John Mc