rob.nyc1
Established
Hey guys,
Most of the time, me and my Rollei 35 are cool with the scale focus.
Unfortunately whenever I want to shoot anything lower than f5.6 on a bright day, I struggle with getting a sharp image.
Does anyone have a good recommendation for useable, hot shoe rangefinder? And probably just as important: where to buy one? eBay prices look out of control, but maybe I'm not good searching for these things.
Thanks,
Rob
Most of the time, me and my Rollei 35 are cool with the scale focus.
Unfortunately whenever I want to shoot anything lower than f5.6 on a bright day, I struggle with getting a sharp image.
Does anyone have a good recommendation for useable, hot shoe rangefinder? And probably just as important: where to buy one? eBay prices look out of control, but maybe I'm not good searching for these things.
Thanks,
Rob
charjohncarter
Veteran
I bought (on Ebay) a Medis Rangefinder for $12 (can't remember the shipping). I use it on a few cameras: Isolette, Nikonos, and even on an SLR with a wide angle lens. It is 2.5 inches long and the body is .75 inches wide (the dial adds more).
Mine is the third, fourth, and fifth, top row:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=medis+ran...-boxed-nice-8.99-28756-p[ekm]499x374[ekm].jpg
Mine is the third, fourth, and fifth, top row:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=medis+ran...-boxed-nice-8.99-28756-p[ekm]499x374[ekm].jpg
aizan
Veteran
What's your budget?
There's a nice DeJur rangefinder on eBay for $35. Jump on it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CA...674565?hash=item1a81505285:g:clsAAOSw7MtdQmsO
There's a nice DeJur rangefinder on eBay for $35. Jump on it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CA...674565?hash=item1a81505285:g:clsAAOSw7MtdQmsO
Huss
Veteran
Personally I would measure out distances and practice guessing them. Kinda like using a light meter to check your exposure guesses. You may be surprised how quickly you start to nail it.
rbiemer
Unabashed Amateur
Err, wouldn't you need to look for an Australian version?....


Goodnight, everyone! I'll be here all week, tip your servers...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
More seriously, you might consider the "Blik" rangefinders. FSU production so they'll read in meters but fairly small and light weight. Not too pricey.
"Watameter" was another brand. Small, and don't seem to be too expensive.
Rob
Goodnight, everyone! I'll be here all week, tip your servers...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
More seriously, you might consider the "Blik" rangefinders. FSU production so they'll read in meters but fairly small and light weight. Not too pricey.
"Watameter" was another brand. Small, and don't seem to be too expensive.
Rob
David Hughes
David Hughes
A small point but...
Some rangefinders have the scale in feet and some in metres and some both. So best to check and seer that the RF chosen matches the scale on the camera and has the same distances as well as the same type of scale.
BLIK ones are interesting in that the scale matches the scale on USSR camera lenses; well, those that I've used have but I've not checked all of them.
Regards, David
Some rangefinders have the scale in feet and some in metres and some both. So best to check and seer that the RF chosen matches the scale on the camera and has the same distances as well as the same type of scale.
BLIK ones are interesting in that the scale matches the scale on USSR camera lenses; well, those that I've used have but I've not checked all of them.
Regards, David
vagab0nd
Established
Personally I would measure out distances and practice guessing them. Kinda like using a light meter to check your exposure guesses. You may be surprised how quickly you start to nail it.
This is what worked best for me with the Rollei 35. When I attached a RF onto the hot shoe it had the effect of slowing me down.
michaelphoto
Established
Would'nt it be rather ackward, considering that the flash shoe is located under the camera. The scales would be upside down, which must slow you down a lot.
Maybe it is smarter to use the rangefinder not attached to the camera.
Maybe it is smarter to use the rangefinder not attached to the camera.
rob.nyc1
Established
This is what worked best for me with the Rollei 35. When I attached a RF onto the hot shoe it had the effect of slowing me down.
My hot shoe is on the top of the Rollei 35 (Classic), but I like the idea of getting better estimating distance to keep the camera nimble in every scenario.
Are you able to shoot wide open with solid focus accuracy? Or do you mostly shoot at smaller apertures?
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charjohncarter
Veteran
Are you able to shoot wide open with solid focus accuracy? Or do you mostly shoot at smaller apertures?
I'm not; it is easy on subjects ten feet to infinity. But wide or just wider openings around five feet I can't 'nail it.'
rob.nyc1
Established
I'm not; it is easy on subjects ten feet to infinity. But wide or just wider openings around five feet I can't 'nail it.'
Ah ok! I'll practice estimating distances close up. If I'm still struggling in a few months I'll try one of the rangefinders above.
aizan
Veteran
Scale focusing by feel is one of the most powerful but incomprehensibly under-practiced techniques for rangefinders. But for something like the Rollei 35 (and other scale focus cameras like the Olympus Pen), another approach works really well.
Instead of learning how to estimate how far away your subject is, just learn several common framings and what the corresponding distances are, then extrapolate from there.
For example, let's say you take a lot of photos like these:
1) Full length portrait, vertical orientation
2) 3/4 length portrait, vertical orientation
3) 1/2 length portrait, horizontal orientation
All you have to do is figure out three rough distances for whatever lens you have!
Instead of learning how to estimate how far away your subject is, just learn several common framings and what the corresponding distances are, then extrapolate from there.
For example, let's say you take a lot of photos like these:
1) Full length portrait, vertical orientation
2) 3/4 length portrait, vertical orientation
3) 1/2 length portrait, horizontal orientation
All you have to do is figure out three rough distances for whatever lens you have!
farlymac
PF McFarland
I have a Rowi in feet, but if necessary I believe you can get one in meters. It's a nice, balanced looking unit, and is still accurate after all these years.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Row...KHXVcAC8QsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=1787&bih=822#imgrc=_
It stays with my Voigtlander Vito II and Perkeo combo.
PF
https://www.google.com/search?q=Row...KHXVcAC8QsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=1787&bih=822#imgrc=_
It stays with my Voigtlander Vito II and Perkeo combo.
PF
Greyscale
Veteran
The best focus tool is the DOF scale on the lens barrel.
Montag
Established
You could always try a little handheld laser rangefinder. A generic one is going to be cheaper than a shoe mounted manual one.
I stick with estimates based on my own measurements - arms outstretched, a full pace, two full paces etc. If it’s important and too narrow a DOF I prefer to bash out a few shots as a bracket in less time than it’d take to mess around with another device.
Best of luck finding whatever suits.
I stick with estimates based on my own measurements - arms outstretched, a full pace, two full paces etc. If it’s important and too narrow a DOF I prefer to bash out a few shots as a bracket in less time than it’d take to mess around with another device.
Best of luck finding whatever suits.
Montag
Established
I have a Rowi in feet, but if necessary I believe you can get one in meters. It's a nice, balanced looking unit, and is still accurate after all these years.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Row...KHXVcAC8QsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=1787&bih=822#imgrc=_
It stays with my Voigtlander Vito II and Perkeo combo.
PF
These look pretty cool, hard to imagine something with a true rangefinder much smaller.
vagab0nd
Established
My hot shoe is on the top of the Rollei 35 (Classic), but I like the idea of getting better estimating distance to keep the camera nimble in every scenario.
Are you able to shoot wide open with solid focus accuracy? Or do you mostly shoot at smaller apertures?
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For close ups I try to shoot at 4 to 5.6, but would go 2.8 if needed. My right arm extended is about 3' exactly so I felt pretty confident with those shots. Figuring out between 4 and 10' was the bigger challenge but eventually I got comfortable shooting wide open at those distances as well.
Everyone has their own ways to practice, I used two: 1) I'd walk around with a SLR or TLR that I knew had accurate focus and then I'd guess the distance to an object and see if I was correct; 2) I used a tape measure and masking tape to mark distance to the wall on the floor. I found more value in option 1, but sometimes weather or time makes a walkabout impractical.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
I have a couple of rangefinders ... one is a Voigtländer from the 1950s that matches the Vito II body ... but I find I use them only rarely.
With the Rollei 35, in good light I set the camera to f/11 and use the distance scale. All you have to remember, really, is 2m (6') and 6m (20') for near and far subjects. For distances up to 6' with larger apertures, it's easy to measure the distance with your arms and hands (although it might look a little funny...
): learn how long your arm is, your forearm, the width of your hand, the width of your finger span, and use them as rulers. As distances grow between 6' and 18', learn the sizes of common things around you (like flooring tiles, window sizes, the length of a park bench, etc) so you can gauge distance by just looking around you and assessing what things are between you and the subject.
If you do it enough, it all becomes natural and easy. This means: load the camera, shoot 36 photos within a day and remember how you measured the distances, process the film IMMEDIATELY and look at the results even if only on a light table with a magnifying glass so you can confirm whether your focusing method hit or miss. Then learn when you make mistakes and remember it, go shoot another roll the next day, or as soon as you can, and do the same thing.
The focusing problem is greater when I move to 6x6 because of the larger format's much shallower DoF. I practice scale focusing with my Polaroid SX-70 for that format: it's a similar sized format and you find that f/8 to f/16 does not net anywhere near as much DoF at the usual distances so it's easy to see the differences between getting it right and not. Estimate the distance first, then focus the SX-70 using its viewfinder ... check to see whether I got it right.
Having a good RF or tape measure to get critically accurate focusing is nice, but some effort and practice to learn scale focusing and DoF technique can go a very long way and make using the external tools much less of a priority. It's just like learning how to guesstimate exposure...
G
With the Rollei 35, in good light I set the camera to f/11 and use the distance scale. All you have to remember, really, is 2m (6') and 6m (20') for near and far subjects. For distances up to 6' with larger apertures, it's easy to measure the distance with your arms and hands (although it might look a little funny...
If you do it enough, it all becomes natural and easy. This means: load the camera, shoot 36 photos within a day and remember how you measured the distances, process the film IMMEDIATELY and look at the results even if only on a light table with a magnifying glass so you can confirm whether your focusing method hit or miss. Then learn when you make mistakes and remember it, go shoot another roll the next day, or as soon as you can, and do the same thing.
The focusing problem is greater when I move to 6x6 because of the larger format's much shallower DoF. I practice scale focusing with my Polaroid SX-70 for that format: it's a similar sized format and you find that f/8 to f/16 does not net anywhere near as much DoF at the usual distances so it's easy to see the differences between getting it right and not. Estimate the distance first, then focus the SX-70 using its viewfinder ... check to see whether I got it right.
Having a good RF or tape measure to get critically accurate focusing is nice, but some effort and practice to learn scale focusing and DoF technique can go a very long way and make using the external tools much less of a priority. It's just like learning how to guesstimate exposure...
G
petronius
Veteran
I tried a Watameter rangefinder, but I discovered that I prefer simplicity over sharpness with the Rollei 35.
Huss
Veteran
I tried a Watameter rangefinder, but I discovered that I prefer simplicity over sharpness with the Rollei 35.
exactly. I use this and vagab0nd's method. if you need an rf then really a different camera would be better.
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