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gabrielma said:
I hadn't seen one of these before; I am not one of the cognosceti (iluminati, whatever). I've seen a Canon 50mm f/1.8 in black and chrome, a 50mm f/1.9 Serenar collapsible, even a 50mm f/2.8 ... but a Canon Serenar 50mm f/2?

Yes, it's from HikePricesUpKevinCamera: http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-RF-5cm-2-...ryZ30063QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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how about a Canon 50mm f2.2 in LTM, it must be not talked about much,I never see any write ups about the 2.2
no illuminati/NWO coverup on this on :http://web.canon.jp/Camera-muse/camera/lens/s/data/s_50_22.html
 
I am sure I saw one of these for sale recently on a body. I didn't take that much notice as it was one of those "I don't know much about etc" I think the final price quite a lot under Kevin's price (no surprise) and only a little more than a body with 1.9.

Kim
 
I CLA'd two Canon Serenar 50mm F3.5 Elmar "copies" for one of our real Canon collectors. They got the aperture ring in the right place.
 
Kevin sells RARE stuff,graded properly,is flexible on price,ships same day,etc etc etc.

Im sure he pays big rent and pays employees well,etc

I never had any probs with him.
 
gabrielma said:
I hadn't seen one of these before; I am not one of the cognosceti (iluminati, whatever). I've seen a Canon 50mm f/1.8 in black and chrome, a 50mm f/1.9 Serenar collapsible, even a 50mm f/2.8 ... but a Canon Serenar 50mm f/2?

Yes, it's from HikePricesUpKevinCamera: http://cgi.ebay.com/Canon-RF-5cm-2-...ryZ30063QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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I'm not sure I completely understand your point. By calling him "HikePricesUpKevinCamera" are you suggesting that KevinCamera should sell camera equipment for less than what paid? Kinda hard to stay in business wouldn't you say? Or are you possibly in competition with him and trying to beat away his customers. Or are you making some other editorial comment that isn't apparent.
 
2Manycameras said:
Or are you possibly in competition with him and trying to beat away his customers. Or are you making some other editorial comment that isn't apparent.
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Ok, ok, you found me out. 🙄

xayraa33 said:
how about a Canon 50mm f2.2 in LTM, it must be not talked about much,I never see any write ups about the 2.2
no illuminati/NWO coverup on this on :http://web.canon.jp/Camera-muse/cam...ta/s_50_22.html
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That is indeed rare. That looks very very nice; can't read a thing except for the f-stops. (psst -- How can I get my hands on one of those so I can "beat away" customers? 😉 )
 
Hi,
Nobody seems to be suggesting that Kevin Cameras doesn't grade his cameras correctly or that he doesn't have an extensive stock including some of the less common items. Those that have bought from him have complimented him on his service and the quality of his grading. The adverse comments have purely been on his asking price.

On this, I would make the following observations. He is flexible on his prices but not by much. In my experience he offers to reduce the price of a $400 by about $20. Yes he does have overheads but so do all the other sellers such as KEH, Ritz and several others that I could name that ask prices that are about 2/3 of his for items in the same condition. As to his buying price, he buys on the Bay under a different name and if you follow his buys, his mark up is very substantial. The fact that he buys and sells under a different name and keeps his "buyer" feedback private. I know of one person who has banned him from bidding on his auctions. There are others who also buy and sell and are well known. They trade both ways under one name and are more open about it.

He does have a very extensive stock and does have uncommon items. Perhaps the main reason for such a large stock is that few are prepared to pay his prices. AFIK, there are two other sellers who operate with such high prices, one in LA and the other in Germany. They too have many auctions and few sales.

I have nothing against him and how he runs his business is entirely up to him. However, I see no reason to defend his prices. I doubt any members here are trying to set up in competition to him but are rather expressing a widely held view.

Kim

2Manycameras said:
I'm not sure I completely understand your point. By calling him "HikePricesUpKevinCamera" are you suggesting that KevinCamera should sell camera equipment for less than what paid? Kinda hard to stay in business wouldn't you say? Or are you possibly in competition with him and trying to beat away his customers. Or are you making some other editorial comment that isn't apparent.
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If you follow Kevin's prices on his site you will notice that he changes them with the market. When we went nutso about Canon 50/1.5 lenses he had 4 or 5 in stock. As the market got hotter and ebay prices went up, he repriced his lenses upwards. ( I don't know if they have been marked down to match the falling prices for these lenses, I should check)

Again, I am not saying he should not do this, he is selling rear collectors items and the market should determine his selling prices. I am just pointing out a real life observation.
 
rover said:
If you follow Kevin's prices on his site you will notice that he changes them with the market. When we went nutso about Canon 50/1.5 lenses he had 4 or 5 in stock. As the market got hotter and ebay prices went up, he repriced his lenses upwards. ( I don't know if they have been marked down to match the falling prices for these lenses, I should check)

Again, I am not saying he should not do this, he is selling rear collectors items and the market should determine his selling prices. I am just pointing out a real life observation.
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You know, I had been noticing that too. When we had a discussion about the Canon 50 f/1.2 a while back, they sprouted. For disclosure's sake, I don't have anything against "Kevin", just of course the normal gripe that the prices are a bit up there, and like Kim has observed, his stuff, at least to me, seems to be in pretty good shape and seems to be very conservative in the ratings. Whether his prices are due to purchasing fees or other maintenance costs, I don't know, but the fact is they do seem to be higher than most, yet I'd be very confident that something bought from his/her store I'd be getting what I paid for, instead of the usual you-play-you-usually-lose auctions elsewhere in the 'bay. That may also speak about the customer base, which may not consist mostly of the casual uninformed buyer -- but of course, this is my speculation.

If I had the money I would certainly buy. Alas, like most of us GAS-ridden RFF-ers, I don't. I even had the finger ready on one of his BIN auctions for a lens a few months back, but then I found the same from a member (not telling).

Anyway, despite the distracting slip (sorry Kevin, if you're reading this thread), the lens is worth taking a look at.
 
Yes, it's worth a look. It was the second lens designed by Seiki Kogaku (later became CANON) optical engineers. First was the 3.5/5cm Elmar copy. This was close to the Leitz Summar design, so it was the first Canon "highspeed" lens...
 
The 5cm f/2 lens is not all that common but does pop up from time to time and usually attached to Canon CCCo S-II. The RARE bird is the SK version of the 5cm f/2 issued in Feb 1947 and was only in the market for seven months before the Seiki Kogaku name was dropped in favour of Canon Camera Company (CCCo). Only one SK lens has appeared on eBay in the last 9 years. It is the only lens besides the 50mm f/1.9 lens which during that era, Canon ran similar serial numbers on two different focal lengths. Both had serial #s beginning with 20001. This is one reason why Canon never introduced the 5cm f/2 as a 50mm f/2 lens as I presume they couldn't see any real difference between the 5cm f/2 and the 50mm f/1.9. Actually there isn't really and it was just a tweak of the lens formula as the schematics are the same for both lenses. So far I have yet to record any f2 or f1.9 lenses which have the same serial number. The highest SK 5cm f2 recorded is #20214 and I own #20232 which has CCCo on the front ID ring. Not many were made and even less have survived.
 
On the 50mm f/2.2. This lens was only issued for 6 months and was produced and sold on the domestic market in Japan as a budget lens. Generally it is found on the Model P cameras which have coloured ASA dial on the back door. It is unusual in that it has a dummy infinity lock which is a separate piece of metal, screwed to the distance scale of the lens. Hard to find in Japan let alone on the world market. Yep I have one, be it all a very knocked around version. Just some trivia. Cheers Peter K
 
CanonRFinder said:
On the 50mm f/2.2. This lens was only issued for 6 months and was produced and sold on the domestic market in Japan as a budget lens. Generally it is found on the Model P cameras which have coloured ASA dial on the back door. It is unusual in that it has a dummy infinity lock which is a separate piece of metal, screwed to the distance scale of the lens. Hard to find in Japan let alone on the world market. Yep I have one, be it all a very knocked around version. Just some trivia. Cheers Peter K
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thanks for the skinny on the 2.2, it is indeed a rare lens.
 
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