kshapero
South Florida Man
I put a SLR lens up on Ebay. Some guy won the auction. When packing the lens, I noticed the focus ring was very wobbly. I told the buyer. He then sends me a message saying if you do not send it to me"You will regret the day you were born, don't mess with me" (I know I should have reported this to eBay). So I figure if the idiot wants a broken lens, so be it. I sent it to him with a 7 day return. A month later he demands his money back. I say too late. Then he takes it to Ebay. They ask for my response and I tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth (this was last night), I wake up this morning with a hold on my Paypal account and a message from eBay saying the decision is final and my funds will be frozen (thankfully only about $10) until I refund the guy his money.
What a drag.
What a drag.
LV1962
Member
Sorry to hear about your predicament.
I tend not to use eBay anymore for selling (it has also become very expensive, up to 15% at times when including Paypal fees)
so I only use it for the occasional buying, although recently there's not much to buy on their site anyway, besides lots and lots of highly priced dealers' offerings.
If you have the (lot of) spare time and patience needed to look at their complicated and intercrossed set of rules, it is very clear how both eBay and Paypal are now not really seller's friendly at all to say the least.
I tend not to use eBay anymore for selling (it has also become very expensive, up to 15% at times when including Paypal fees)
so I only use it for the occasional buying, although recently there's not much to buy on their site anyway, besides lots and lots of highly priced dealers' offerings.
If you have the (lot of) spare time and patience needed to look at their complicated and intercrossed set of rules, it is very clear how both eBay and Paypal are now not really seller's friendly at all to say the least.
jesse1dog
Light Catcher
If you aren't too bothered about Paypal and ebay, tell them to 'go take a jump'.
In a month's time try setting up another ebay account and see what happens. Other's seem to have done that. Not that I am in any way suggesting you do this!
jesse
In a month's time try setting up another ebay account and see what happens. Other's seem to have done that. Not that I am in any way suggesting you do this!
jesse
SomeDayBeyond
Member
I also tend to avoid PayPal more and more. Apart from the fees, I had someone not deliver, and wanted to be refunded my $200. Turned out it was 50 days since paying, and after 45 days they don't do any refunding whatsoever. But surface shipping sometimes takes 6-8 weeks, I had wanted to give the seller an opportunity.
Neither eBay or PayPal are really interested in justice or you. They ignore you as much as they possibly can.
We should find other ways of paying. Selling can be done in other ways.
Neither eBay or PayPal are really interested in justice or you. They ignore you as much as they possibly can.
We should find other ways of paying. Selling can be done in other ways.
Beemermark
Veteran
The buyer is always "right" in ebay's eyes. Here's the real kick the pants, he won't return it. Your PayPal account will stay frozen until you refund the money, which you'll do when he returns the camera, but he won't return the camera...........
So eBay does track all emails, there is no way the buyer and seller can communicate without using the eBay messaging system. And when they decide in his favor (not sure how this works) a USPS tracking number shows up in the case file. So after 30 or 45 days and a lot of time on the phone with you calling the eBay service center, eBay will see he never mailed the package, unfreeze your PayPal account, and pretend it never happened.
You cannot even leave negative feedback. BUT you can leave nasty comments under his positive feedback. So here is a tip for the seller. When someone bids on your item, read the comments on his feedback and then block the seller from buying.
So eBay does track all emails, there is no way the buyer and seller can communicate without using the eBay messaging system. And when they decide in his favor (not sure how this works) a USPS tracking number shows up in the case file. So after 30 or 45 days and a lot of time on the phone with you calling the eBay service center, eBay will see he never mailed the package, unfreeze your PayPal account, and pretend it never happened.
You cannot even leave negative feedback. BUT you can leave nasty comments under his positive feedback. So here is a tip for the seller. When someone bids on your item, read the comments on his feedback and then block the seller from buying.
Beemermark
Veteran
I gave up also. However I made the mistake of having cameras in my collection that I had no idea of the value and were simply dust collectors on the shelf. Thought, I'd put them eBay and see if anyone was interested.
After getting royally screwed I've decided to give them to Goodwill.
My best one was I sold a beat up Canon F-1 to a Canadian buyer. I've always had trouble with the Canadian post office but I never blocked any foreign buyers. Anyways sale went good and a few weeks later I noticed I had negative feedback. The Canadian buyer left me negative feedback because evidently the Canadian PO damaged the camera and Canadians Customs robbed him.
Now here's the good part. A month after the negative feedback I put in my ad I will no longer sell to Canada. The first question I get is from the guy that left me negative feedback (and he identified himself) wanting to know why I wouldn't let him bid on it.
kknox
kknox
That's why I will not take Paypal any longer. Ebay & Paypal can take a hike. Dont sell anything on Ebay unless you can swallow the money if the buyer does not like the item for any reason. Just think if this was an M8 or something. They buyer would have your camera & maybe all your money.
Just sell on RFF. Good luck.
Just sell on RFF. Good luck.
Frontman
Well-known
Selling on eBay is like selling anywhere else. If you have ever worked in a retail store, then you know that crazy buyers aren't just limited to eBay.
As for the fees, compared to the percentage you pay for consigning someting in a store, or, worse yet, owning a store and having to pay the overhead each month, eBay remains a bargain.
Of course there are problems with buyers, shipping, and other things, but that is and always has been part of doing business, no matter how or where you sell. From time to time I will have a buyer claim that something I sold him had a problem or defect, and he will ask for a partial refund. In some cases a real problem exists, but in most cases it is someone trying to squeeze me to get a discount. What do I do? I give him what he wants. I lose a few dollars, but getting my account suspended, or negative feedback can be more costly. It's not fair, but nobody said that life was supposed to be fair. For the most part, my transactions on eBay have been smooth, and I will continue o do business here.
As for the fees, compared to the percentage you pay for consigning someting in a store, or, worse yet, owning a store and having to pay the overhead each month, eBay remains a bargain.
Of course there are problems with buyers, shipping, and other things, but that is and always has been part of doing business, no matter how or where you sell. From time to time I will have a buyer claim that something I sold him had a problem or defect, and he will ask for a partial refund. In some cases a real problem exists, but in most cases it is someone trying to squeeze me to get a discount. What do I do? I give him what he wants. I lose a few dollars, but getting my account suspended, or negative feedback can be more costly. It's not fair, but nobody said that life was supposed to be fair. For the most part, my transactions on eBay have been smooth, and I will continue o do business here.
btgc
Veteran
>"You will regret the day you were born, don't mess with me"
Did you include neutral white powder in a package so buyer would guess if he has got free anthrax to regret day he messed with someone trying to be fair?
Well, that's a joke, but all jokes have at least some part of a joke. Pity paypal is working such way, it rathers crops good sellers instead of crooks who anyway invent new ways how to screw innocent buyers.
Did you include neutral white powder in a package so buyer would guess if he has got free anthrax to regret day he messed with someone trying to be fair?
Well, that's a joke, but all jokes have at least some part of a joke. Pity paypal is working such way, it rathers crops good sellers instead of crooks who anyway invent new ways how to screw innocent buyers.
LV1962
Member
Well, definitively life ain't always fair,
so I guess if one wants for whatever reason to sell on eBay (wider business exposure or other) and is happy to stick to eBay's silly one-wayed e-rules then that's OK,
but personally I'd rather avoid eBay and Paypal altogether nowadays; and I can see that there are more and more people also very unsatisfied with eBay and Paypal of late
and now selling their used wares through the classifieds of specialist forums like the RFF and other reputable ones.
so I guess if one wants for whatever reason to sell on eBay (wider business exposure or other) and is happy to stick to eBay's silly one-wayed e-rules then that's OK,
but personally I'd rather avoid eBay and Paypal altogether nowadays; and I can see that there are more and more people also very unsatisfied with eBay and Paypal of late
and now selling their used wares through the classifieds of specialist forums like the RFF and other reputable ones.
ampguy
Veteran
Sorry to hear about your bad experience, but here is a possible scenario the buyer could have perceived: 1. You listed your item without a reserve, he won at something ridiculously low < $10 right?, then thought maybe you made up the wobbly part thing.
2. You mis represented your item. Don't do that. Check for wobbly rings before selling on ebay, RFF or anywhere. Thanks.
2. You mis represented your item. Don't do that. Check for wobbly rings before selling on ebay, RFF or anywhere. Thanks.