Ink Jet Printer Suggestions

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I know it's not strictly about rangefinders, but I wanted to buy an inkjet printer to print out some of the black and white shots I'm taking at the moment.

Does anyone have any suggestions of a really good quality printer, and good quality photo paper, for colour and especially black and white prints.

Thanks!
 
I second what Allan says. I took delivery of one of these about 10 days ago and am very pleased with the output. I like it better than my HP 9690 (?) which did not do well with Costco's Kirkland glossy paper (nasty fading after only a few weeks). The HP on HP's premium plus seems ok, but the Epson's images are tougher. It is not a cheap printer to buy and run though.

Ben
 
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Cheapest

Hello:

The cheapest and best* entree to B&W printing is the Epson C86 or R220 with MIS inks on Kirkland paper. R2400's and larger ilk are superb and for the serious in need of prints greater than 8.5x11.

yours
Frank
*IMHO
 
Frank - there was a request for color as well as B&W. Otherwise I would've recommended an MIS system as well.

You can also consider entirely different brand papers for b&w. Many cotten rag papers do very well and are less expensive than the epson branded ones.

allan
 
I have gone the Epson C86 (C88 really) and MIS route ... very happy with the output

As for both color and B&W another vote for the Epson 2400

though I heard many of good things about the new HP DesignJet 90 (supposed to be really good on ink)
 
Thanks for all your kind replies - strangely I saw the 2400 on the net and thought that could be the one for me. I guess the ink is fairly expensive too though?
 
Almost seems wrong to say but I have a HP photosmart 475. So far I'm really pleased with it. Its really more of a portable printer, so it just does 4x6 and
5x7. Has 1 gig of storage built in to the printer, TV hook ups and a remote to do slide shows. You can even get a battery and Bluetooth for it. Makes quick instant prints pretty good.
 
My Canon Pixma iP6600D beats my Epson C86 (with MIS ink) for black and white, plus it does beautiful color as well.
 
For a less expensive alternative to the Epson 2400, you could pick up an Epson 1280 and MIS Eboni black cartridge and print using the black only setting for black and white. I get great results and it goes to 13 x 19. If you like big prints, deep blacks and cold tones, this is the way to go. They've been around for awhile and are pretty inexpensive. I usually print on Epson Enhanced Matte for black and white but recently tried some Ilford Gallerie Pearl for color and it looked pretty good.
 
If you want better blacks than the EEM, try Innova Smooth Cotton. It's the same coating as permajet alpha, supposedly, which gives me great blacks in comparison.

allan
 
Well. I am goiing to be the dissenter here. My experience with Epson is dismal. I teach in a college photo degree program and we have two Epson 2200 printers. Neither of them have ever worked satisfactorily for color or black and white. Since this is a quetion about B & W I will keep focus my comments there. The black and white prints on the Epson printer using the Epson inks is a very warm tone brown/dark. There really is no black. They look like an overly brown or sepia toned print. But, they do not look like black and white prints. Also, the Epson drinks ink. Forget about the cost of the printer, it is nothing compared to the cost of keeping ink in the thing. Though our tech staff has called Epson and tried to adjust the printers, on severeal occasions, both are still lousy. I called Epson about a week ago and was told that since the printers are now out of warranty it would cost $10 to take the conversation any further! After less than a year and a half, we are looking at the prospect of replacing both printers. I assure you, it will not be with another Epson printer. At home I use a Canon Pixma 5000 and it runs circles around the B & W print quality of the Epson, and that is with the stock Canon ink.
 
B,
Have you ever tried QTR with the 2200? I wouldn't even consider B&W on the 2200 without it.

I must be missing something on the Canon's because I haven't seen very good results on the few prints I've seen. But I am not a brand-snob or anything - go with what works for you. I can only speak to my experiences.

allan
 
Another going-at-right-angles post here. My current printer is an HP Photosmart 8750, which, like Epson's 2400, prints up to 13 x 19" size. it prints fantastic black-and-white as well as quite stunning color, has been stone-reliable in the eight months I've been using it, and gets the Wilhelm thumbs-up in terms of archival stability (or at least archival stability "as we know it" in the digital printing world). Where the 8750 aces the Epsons somewhat, IMO, are these bits:

- bronzing/gloss differential: while the 2400 is a light-year or two ahead of my old Epson 2200 on both counts, I've heard low-level griping from some ownerrs that these artifacts are still apparent, although you have to look more closely for them. Of course, once the print is matted and framed behind glass (real or plexi), it's a moot point. The prints I've made with the 8750 show virtually no bronzing or GD, although the prints have to settle for a day or two after printing.

- metamerism: what metamerism? 🙂

- price: depending on where you shop, the HP can cost around 40% less than the Epson.

- paper: I don't know about anyone else, but when I first tried HP's Premium Glossy and Premium Plus Glossy, I thought I'd hate the look, bracing myself for prints with way-excessive sheen. Big surprise: I like the look of both these papers, which exhibit a much more restrained sheen than expected; more gloss than a typical ferrotyped fiber-paper silver print, but not nearly so far off from that as I'd feared. And between HP's Glossy and Soft Gloss/Satin papers, I've felt little need to run after third-party papers the way I did with other printers.

- supply access: here's the killer. Prior to the 8750, I had a two printer setup: Epson SP 2200 for color, Epson SC 1160 with Lyson Quad Black inks for b/w. A bit of a headache in terms of care-and-feeding (surprisingly, the 1160 didn't clog as much as I thought it would, but when it did, it would take a few days to set things right). I was lucky that B & H carried the Lyson carts as a regular item; however, my favorite paper for b/w printing (Lyson Darkroom Range Glossy) was murder to track down, even via mail-order. How nice it is that the 8750's ink carts, and many of the HP papers I prefer (at least up to 8-1/2 x 11") are as close as my nearest Staples if I'm in a pinch and can't rely on my usual sources (say, any time between 1:00PM Friday afternoon and late Sunday morning;-).

- ports: My Epson 2200 had both USB (1.1) and FireWire ports; My 8750 comes with USB 2.0 and Ethernet ports. I started with USB, but since I have a nework setup (My Mac G4 tower, galfriend's G4 tower, and my PowerBook G3 Pismo via wireless) I switched to Ethernet, which is about as fast for printing and more convenient.

- no need for a third-party RIP: 'nuff said.

- clogging/head-alignment issues: Epson printers, of course, have permanent print heads; HP (and Canon, for that matter) have user-replaceable heads, either built into the carts themselves or the modules which hold the ink tanks. In the case of the 8750, the print heads are built into the carts, so when you change carts, you automatically change heads as well. The one critique heavy Epson users have levelled against this system is the need to realign the heads each time you change a cart; the 8750 manages things by way of automatically aligning the heads each time you change a cart, making this a fairly quick and non-fussy routine. I might add that I haven't had a single head clog since I bought the thing.


That's all for now. 🙂


- Barrett
 
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Epson

Epson

1280, R1800 or R2400 in that order of quality/cost.

There are very good B&W papers and ink available on the aftermarket. Ilford makes good paper for the EU crowd.

More discussion here, read all the way to the end:

Printers, Paper & Ink
 
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