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Hi
I love the Ricoh GR and mainly use it for urban photography - not really 'street', as I don't do people, for the most part. And, I almost exclusively shoot black and white. (Examples in the link in my signature, if anyone is interested).
But I don't always want to use the 28mm lens and would like something closer to 50mm. I looked at the Sigma DP2M and it would be an ideal camera with a 45mm field of view. But its low light issues concern me. As does the lack of Adobe RAW support (is that still an issue?).
I seem to be left with a choice of various zoom cameras, but I'm concerned about the quality. That said, I'm really out of touch.
So, any recommendations?
Thanks.
I love the Ricoh GR and mainly use it for urban photography - not really 'street', as I don't do people, for the most part. And, I almost exclusively shoot black and white. (Examples in the link in my signature, if anyone is interested).
But I don't always want to use the 28mm lens and would like something closer to 50mm. I looked at the Sigma DP2M and it would be an ideal camera with a 45mm field of view. But its low light issues concern me. As does the lack of Adobe RAW support (is that still an issue?).
I seem to be left with a choice of various zoom cameras, but I'm concerned about the quality. That said, I'm really out of touch.
So, any recommendations?
Thanks.
benji77
@R.F.F
If you don't mind "old technology", the GXR with 50mm Macro module is a stunning set up for its price.
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Hmmm thanks.
Probably not enough MPs for my liking. And a bit large, I think.
Probably not enough MPs for my liking. And a bit large, I think.
Panasonic GM5 w/ Olympus 25mm
f16sunshine
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No there is not.
Hopefully one day.
The Fuji x100 models are as close as it comes with a fixed lens larger sensor..... They are really sweet but not so compact as the ricoh.
Since my preference is also 50mm eqiv fov.....I'm using a Fuji xe1 with the xf35.
I also have a GR which I take along when Size matters or when I know it will be close quarters.
Hopefully one day.
The Fuji x100 models are as close as it comes with a fixed lens larger sensor..... They are really sweet but not so compact as the ricoh.
Since my preference is also 50mm eqiv fov.....I'm using a Fuji xe1 with the xf35.
I also have a GR which I take along when Size matters or when I know it will be close quarters.
Greyscale
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Shouldn't this be a topic for another sub-forum?
jnclde
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FrozenInTime
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A 50mm view GR would be most welcome - a niche that is crying out to be filled.
Tried the Pentax Q7 with 8.5/1.9 which works out at 40mm:
Size is good.
IQ is okay but not in the same class a the GRD-IV let alone GR.
LCD un-useable in the sun.
01 lenses in black only available as direct imports from Japan.
Tried the Pentax Q7 with 8.5/1.9 which works out at 40mm:
Size is good.
IQ is okay but not in the same class a the GRD-IV let alone GR.
LCD un-useable in the sun.
01 lenses in black only available as direct imports from Japan.
thereabouts
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Not whether it's 'normal' work, but unfortunately it's not enough for my work. Thanks all the same.
emraphoto
Veteran
second that!
emraphoto
Veteran
second that suggestion
kuuan
loves old lenses
one of the smaller APS-C sensor Sony mirrorless
never as small and specially light as the GR, but still very small bodies with tiltable LCD only ( NEX3/5 Alpha 5000/5100 ) or tiltable LCD + optional, tiltable EVF ( NEX5n / 5t or n3 ) or somewhat bigger bodies with tiltable LCD and fixed, built in EVF ( NEX6, Alpha 6000 / 6300 )
+ Sigma f2.8/30mm ( 45mm equivalent ): http://www.photozone.de/sony_nex/787-sigma30f28nex
never as small and specially light as the GR, but still very small bodies with tiltable LCD only ( NEX3/5 Alpha 5000/5100 ) or tiltable LCD + optional, tiltable EVF ( NEX5n / 5t or n3 ) or somewhat bigger bodies with tiltable LCD and fixed, built in EVF ( NEX6, Alpha 6000 / 6300 )
+ Sigma f2.8/30mm ( 45mm equivalent ): http://www.photozone.de/sony_nex/787-sigma30f28nex
dreamsandart
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The GR is just a great camera for so many reasons. With the option wide lens on front, set to 1:1 and B&W I’m in compact digital SWC heaven, and the very compact straight 28 form factor covers the standard wide angle end.
A companion GR somewhere in the 50mm equivalent focal range has been on my mind since the beginning, and I’m surprised on the RFF no one else has mentioned what I’m going to probably do at some point.
Why not a Leica T? It has the same APS-C sensor and equally great output. Camera size and shape is comparable. Built quality is great [and hay it does look very cool]. There is now a fast 50mm along with other zooms and fixed auto-focus options, and there is always a Leica M or LTM lenses with adapter.
Thinking a T adapted 50 Summicron (since I already have it) to go along with the GR myself. Use the Visoflex 020 for focusing, and can go close with a M-bellows or a short 16469 adaptor.
Best to have two cameras that work the same of course, but with the T there isn’t any need to dig into menus with its one touch quick menu, and it does give lens options.
The newest firmware has made this camera very different than the one that was first introduced. Prices are down, and many here on RFF like me have the M-lenses to make a GR 28 and Leica T with a 35/50mm M-lens a nice 1-2 punch.
A companion GR somewhere in the 50mm equivalent focal range has been on my mind since the beginning, and I’m surprised on the RFF no one else has mentioned what I’m going to probably do at some point.
Why not a Leica T? It has the same APS-C sensor and equally great output. Camera size and shape is comparable. Built quality is great [and hay it does look very cool]. There is now a fast 50mm along with other zooms and fixed auto-focus options, and there is always a Leica M or LTM lenses with adapter.
Thinking a T adapted 50 Summicron (since I already have it) to go along with the GR myself. Use the Visoflex 020 for focusing, and can go close with a M-bellows or a short 16469 adaptor.
Best to have two cameras that work the same of course, but with the T there isn’t any need to dig into menus with its one touch quick menu, and it does give lens options.
The newest firmware has made this camera very different than the one that was first introduced. Prices are down, and many here on RFF like me have the M-lenses to make a GR 28 and Leica T with a 35/50mm M-lens a nice 1-2 punch.
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Heh. If I had the financial justification for a Leica T, I might consider it.
fireblade
Vincenzo.
I have the DP2M, and if you are going to use it for "urban", you'll be more than pleased.
As for B&W, my opinion, excellent.
I use Sigma Pro Photo 6 to convert the Raw to Tiff, then just export to PS.
But when i want to convert to B&W i use SPP6 and use the blue channel "fix".....example below.
As for low light issue, no problems for me. Firstly, doing urban at night, tripod fixes all issues.
Image below was taken hand held 1/50 @ISO1250 f6.3.
First image converted to B&W with no blue channel fix. You will see some grain....Viewing at 100%.
Then just by moving the colour mixer to 100% blue it fixes the grain issue, and that is a matter of taste....(i see your like grain looking at your images on your site)
Final image with "blue fix"
kuuan
loves old lenses
Leica T is quite substantial, with a Summicron, depending on the version of the lens, it weighs more than double, almost 3 times the GR ( about 600 to 700 grms, versus 250 of the GR and btw. NEX5n + Sigma 2.8/30 = abt. 400 grms)
thereabouts
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Thanks dreamsandart that's interesting.
Most of the stuff I read seems to suggest that the DP2M is fine with colour up to 400 ISO and about 800-1200 ISO for black and white.
It's clearly a niche camera. But then, so are rangefinders...
Food for thought.
Most of the stuff I read seems to suggest that the DP2M is fine with colour up to 400 ISO and about 800-1200 ISO for black and white.
It's clearly a niche camera. But then, so are rangefinders...
Food for thought.
Archiver
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The GXR with 50mm module was already suggested; I have a few GXR aps-c modules and I like them all. They have excellent colour and sharpness, not to mention the great Ricoh interface. But if you need more than 12mp, it's not for you.
A definite vote for a Panasonic GM1/5 with Olympus 25/1.8. That combination is in my bag all the time beside the Ricoh GR or Panasonic LX7.
The DP2M is a bit of a mixed bag for me. The colour is nothing like the way the GR does colour, so if your intention is to match output, you'd find it difficult. The only raw processor outside of Sigma Photo Pro that handles Merrill files is Iridient, so be aware of that, too. Otherwise, you'll have to export tiffs from SPP and edit in your usual program.
For black and white, the DP2M is great, although you have to expose for the highlights you want to keep. Blown highlights are not so easily recoverable with Merrill files, oddly. The original DP1 and DP2 are better at highlight recovery than the Merrills, IMO. File size is pretty big, and clearing the buffer takes many seconds.
A definite vote for a Panasonic GM1/5 with Olympus 25/1.8. That combination is in my bag all the time beside the Ricoh GR or Panasonic LX7.
The DP2M is a bit of a mixed bag for me. The colour is nothing like the way the GR does colour, so if your intention is to match output, you'd find it difficult. The only raw processor outside of Sigma Photo Pro that handles Merrill files is Iridient, so be aware of that, too. Otherwise, you'll have to export tiffs from SPP and edit in your usual program.
For black and white, the DP2M is great, although you have to expose for the highlights you want to keep. Blown highlights are not so easily recoverable with Merrill files, oddly. The original DP1 and DP2 are better at highlight recovery than the Merrills, IMO. File size is pretty big, and clearing the buffer takes many seconds.
Gary Sandhu
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GR in crop mode