giellaleafapmu
Well-known
Anyone following this chap? What do you think? In a sense this is the kind pf photography I most like (commercial done at a level which becomes artistic) but for some reason there is something I don't completely like about him and I'd like to hear from you what's your opinion.
The URL:
http://www.joeyl.com
GLF
The URL:
http://www.joeyl.com
GLF
DominikDUK
Well-known
The first thing that comes to mind is lack of emotion not the depicted lack emotion but the photographer/photographs they are somewhat cold and sterile imo.
I don't like his photos to be honest they are technically well executed but I've seen plenty of portofolios with similar images but more warmth and emotions.
Dominik
Ed Weatherly
Established
I tend to agree with your statement about the artistic content but there is something I don't quite like about him. I have seen him in some videos and in my opinion comes across as quite insincere about what he is doing. I tend to think this cheapens the end result some and the connection he says he is making with his subjects may not be there.
On the other hand, his technical skill is pretty advanced for such a young man.
My $.02
On the other hand, his technical skill is pretty advanced for such a young man.
My $.02
Ed Weatherly
Established
In my opinion, Joe McNally does this much better than Joey L.
Again, just my $.02
giellaleafapmu
Well-known
Ok, he has been around for much longer and he has his own signature style, I like McNally much better too.
GLF
I just feel they are highly stylized in a way that doesn't do it for me. That's just opinion and does not speak to if it is good or not.
As far as emotions, warmth, and connection with the "subject"... I don't feel they attributes that are always needed in photos to be successful. In fact, some photographers are great because they do the exact opposite of that. There is no one right way to photograph.
As far as emotions, warmth, and connection with the "subject"... I don't feel they attributes that are always needed in photos to be successful. In fact, some photographers are great because they do the exact opposite of that. There is no one right way to photograph.
RedLion
Come to the Faire
Tableau Vivant
Tableau Vivant
Joey L's "style" looks to be a modern form of the "Tableau Vivant" genre of photography.
Tableau Vivant
Joey L's "style" looks to be a modern form of the "Tableau Vivant" genre of photography.
Tableau vivant (plural: tableaux vivants) means "living picture". The term describes a group of suitably costumed actors or artist's models, carefully posed and often theatrically lit. Throughout the duration of the display, the people shown do not speak or move. The approach thus marries the art forms of the stage with those of painting or photography, and as such it has been of interest to modern photographers. The most recent heyday of the tableau vivant was the 19th century, with virtually nude tableaux vivants or poses plastiques providing a form of erotic entertainment.
Nescio
Well-known
Well, sort of. Personally I feel the tableau vivant is more "clasically" represented by photographers like Witkin, Jan Saudek or Erwin Olaf. But aren't these overlit, over sharpened pics a contemporary, fashionable byproduct of PS? As said in post #2, his work has a "look" that's all too familiar these days.
Nescio
rhl-oregon
Cameras Guitars Wonders
Take his youth into account; don't hold that against him. He has many years for development, evolution, stylistic and technical roughenings and revisionings (or even more highly mannered refinements, alas).
The portraits I looked at are exquisite, direct, refined, and at times deeply respectful in their presentation; this seems admirable. I do see a stylization that I associate with mannerism (quick/dirty definition: caring more about means of presentation than about essence of subject), and I think I understand what some of you have noted as a certain coolness or coldness in the staging, lighting, and tonality. In my view, this work does not suffer from sentimentality--it is not trying to wring a certain pathos from us--and that is laudable. And though it may be touristic in ways that Edward Said criticized in "Orientalism" about how westerners like to imagine the nonwest, it does not seem to be narcissistic. His portraits present these other beings for us to consider, not as extensions of his desires or self-regard.
Young artists can outgrow mere technical brilliance, but I would not want them to do so before they realize, in their own experience, the proper place for technique in an enduring vision of a world in which they are a small personal lens, one witness among many. If they stick to virtuoso technique for decades, it's fair to dismiss their superficialities. But it seems premature in this photographer's life/work to do anything but take him at his best.
The portraits I looked at are exquisite, direct, refined, and at times deeply respectful in their presentation; this seems admirable. I do see a stylization that I associate with mannerism (quick/dirty definition: caring more about means of presentation than about essence of subject), and I think I understand what some of you have noted as a certain coolness or coldness in the staging, lighting, and tonality. In my view, this work does not suffer from sentimentality--it is not trying to wring a certain pathos from us--and that is laudable. And though it may be touristic in ways that Edward Said criticized in "Orientalism" about how westerners like to imagine the nonwest, it does not seem to be narcissistic. His portraits present these other beings for us to consider, not as extensions of his desires or self-regard.
Young artists can outgrow mere technical brilliance, but I would not want them to do so before they realize, in their own experience, the proper place for technique in an enduring vision of a world in which they are a small personal lens, one witness among many. If they stick to virtuoso technique for decades, it's fair to dismiss their superficialities. But it seems premature in this photographer's life/work to do anything but take him at his best.
jwicaksana
Jakarta, Indonesia
I followed him thru some videos he did for Phase, while many viewers bash him for bringing full sized strobes and light modifiers to the jungle, and said that (insert older generation photog here) can do better with his camera and BW film only, I admire him for having such vision, how exactly he would approach photographs he's making.
On another video from a workshop, where there were Joe McNally, Zack Arias, I think David Hobby was also there, they did some kind of an assignment, each were given 20 minutes to shoot and 5 to edit. At first I thought Joey would pull magic tricks from up his sleeve, but turns out he half jokingly shot with his Polaroid camera. I see this as a way to show respect to his 'seniors', not trying to prove that he is superior or better, and the audience also reacted positively to his gesture.
As said above, he has many years to develop, and I personally like his works.
On another video from a workshop, where there were Joe McNally, Zack Arias, I think David Hobby was also there, they did some kind of an assignment, each were given 20 minutes to shoot and 5 to edit. At first I thought Joey would pull magic tricks from up his sleeve, but turns out he half jokingly shot with his Polaroid camera. I see this as a way to show respect to his 'seniors', not trying to prove that he is superior or better, and the audience also reacted positively to his gesture.
As said above, he has many years to develop, and I personally like his works.
Spyro
Well-known
I think he's very talented with portable lighting setups, and he seems like a good businessman.
I really really liked some of his early p&s stuff, didnt care much for his commercial work (rarely do so this doesnt mean anything)
I'm keeping an eye on him, he has a long way to go.
I really really liked some of his early p&s stuff, didnt care much for his commercial work (rarely do so this doesnt mean anything)
I'm keeping an eye on him, he has a long way to go.
Pioneer
Veteran
I think he is pretty damn good! He's young, so what? Based on what I see in his portfolios he seems willing to work as well as willing to push himself to continue developing. Let's see, good work ethic and still excited about learning his craft.
Right now, if I could say anything, I would say that he is trying to be too "clean." From what I can see on my monitor, his work has that almost plastic perfection found in a lot of digital work. It is 24 megapixels with each one perfectly massaged and manipulated.
But, he is very, very good, and he will get much better real fast. Right now he is working very hard at getting good. Some of that "work hard" drive is coming through in his work. I kind of wonder if he needs to relax, lighten up a bit, and start having some fun with his work?
Right now, if I could say anything, I would say that he is trying to be too "clean." From what I can see on my monitor, his work has that almost plastic perfection found in a lot of digital work. It is 24 megapixels with each one perfectly massaged and manipulated.
But, he is very, very good, and he will get much better real fast. Right now he is working very hard at getting good. Some of that "work hard" drive is coming through in his work. I kind of wonder if he needs to relax, lighten up a bit, and start having some fun with his work?
wafflecakee
Well-known
Watch his new video. My ADD is pretty bad but I watched this in two sittings.
https://vimeo.com/55246312#
https://vimeo.com/55246312#
