Leica has TTL flash and FP flash, ZI not

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Well I am one of those guys who have tryed an M7 and read a lot, but am not an experienced RF photographer. I found in this forum a lot of positive claims about Zeizz Ikons new rangefinder which should be so much better than leicas.

But have you ever thought about how much we use the flash. And the ZI don't have the TTL flash measurement and also high speed flash which is practically in sunlight.
 
Obviously you don't know how HSS works on the Leica M

Obviously you don't know how HSS works on the Leica M

Okay, I'll bite.

1. You have to use the humougous Metz 54 MZ3.

2. You have no flash metering at all - not from the body, not from the flash.

3. The guide number of the flash drops to a miniscue 8 (metres, ISO 100) at 1/250 sec.

4. As for TTL flash without evaluative metering (e.g. Leica M6TTL and M7), it's vastly overrated. I have managed to do without it for decades - and I do a lot of fill flash outdoors.
 
Obviously you don't know how HSS works on the Leica M

Obviously you don't know how HSS works on the Leica M

Okay, I'll bite.

1. You have to use the humongous Metz 54 MZ-3.

2. There is no flash metering at all - not from the body, not from the flash.

3. The guide number of the flash drops to a miniscue 8 (metres, ISO 100) at 1/250.

4. As for TTL flash without evaluative metering (e.g. Leica M), it is vastly overrated. Many people have done well without it. I use non-TTL auto for decades and frequently in fill flash.

I'll take 1/125 REAL SYNC SPEED over HSS anytime of the day, thank you.
 
I say over 90% of Leica rangefinder photography is w/o flash. It is the essence of available light photography.

I don't believe anyone is saying that the ZI is or will be better then the Leica M. We really won't know until the camera is out for a bit. But it does look like you will get more bang for the buck w/ the ZI then w/ a new Leica M. The same appears true for their lenses. We'll see.

It appears that the ZI viewfinder -- which is huge (think high eyepoint) -- will be much nicer for eyeglass wearers then the Leica M options of a 0.72 viewfinder or a 0.58 one. I have handled both, and own a 0.72 Leica M, wear eyeglasses, and both viewfinders have their limitations -- w/ the 0.72 it is hard to see the 35mm and 28mm framelines and with the 0.58 everything is so small, which makes focusing just a little more difficult and less accurate for some lenses. So you see it is a choice between compromises, which the ZI solution eliminates (I think).

In fact, I predict that if the ZI is well built, many Leica M users who wear glasses will pick one up.
 
mommy, what's a flash?
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you guys are so much fun... sitting here at work this one made me laugh out loud..

joanie
 
frank, sadly i must admit that i have no canon flash.

i do have a flash, i always own a flash but i never use a flash.

i just bought that really neat little bounce flash that even has an auto setting (or 2) on it. and there are always frash batteries in it.
just don't use it.

and yes, my therapy sessions ARE long.

joe
 
and yes, my therapy sessions ARE long.

Have you addressed your aversion to capitalization yet? That's got to go back to an embarassing incident with a girl in the cloakroom in Grade 1, right?
 
i believe it was grade 3.

capitals are bourgeois.

conventional: typical of affluent middle-class people, who are often characterized as conventional, conservative, or materialistic in outlook


joe
 
Well, at least the Z-I will have a higher X-sych speed than the Leicas... for whatever value that has. None, in my case, and my M2 (which I've had since 1967) still has the special Leica flash sockets with their plastic plugs, never used. When I got my Minolta CLE (which has pretty sophisticated TTL flash control) and Pentax Auto 110 kits new they included dedicated flash units that have yet to be used. I tried the popup flash on my Fuji GA645 once and didn't like the results. And so it goes... flashless!

I won't deny the value of flash, for others. For my puposes, though, I like the look of the light already in place.
 
backalley photo said:
i believe it was grade 3.

capitals are bourgeois.
joe
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You are so like HCB! Not only do you also not do your own darkroom printing, but (I think) it was HCB who said "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."
 
mommy, what's a flash?

Joe, I'm sure I have a flash around here somewhere. If I can ever find it, I'll take an available light picture and send it to you.

Or, to put it another way: Flashes? We don't need no steeenking flashes.
 
FrankS said:
You are so like HCB! Not only do you also not do your own darkroom printing, but (I think) it was HCB who said "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."
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in the words of woody allan, 'everybody needs a role model'

joe;)

and i know how to print frank, if i say so myself i was pretty good at it too!
 
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