Made in occupied Japan!!!

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NIKON KIU

NIKON KIU

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Lots of Nikon RF stuff is believed to be MIOJ!!
Are they???
When did the occupation end?? When did Nippon Kogaku stop engraving MIOJ??!!

Do you know???

Kiu
 
The occupation ended??? When did that happen???

Sign spotted in the middle of Roppongi, Tokyo just a few months ago.

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Yeah the US really ought to get out of Japan and Korea too and let them shoulder their own defense. As for Nzeemans racist remarks about sumo, damn straight the best men in sumo are the Mongolian Yokozunas, they got there with hard work and fighting spirit.
 
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japan have the best and most sophisticated culture that ever existed
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A culture that has traditionally stifled individuality ("the nail that sticks up must be hammered down") and demanded blind obedience to authority? Hmm.
 
I've read this thread a couple of times now, and still have no idea of what it's about...

But i've found that the problem might be this: What is MIOJ?
 
MIJO = Made In Occupied Japan :)

Platon: Right, but we all ought to respect other cultures as equal to our own for those practicing those cultures, if we wish to be respected by them?

Saying that Japan has the most 'sophisticated' culture of all, and that European culture is 'ignorant' is hardly respectful and does not follow historical evidence of Japan's behaviour during WWII
 
Thanks :)

So the occupation ended in 1952, I did some wikipedia-ing.

Now I'm wondering, why is it important that some Nikon RF stuff was made during this periode?

And if this is a question, wouldn't it be very easy to check manufacturing years?

The Nikon One was introduced in 1948 according to Camera Quests. Nikon S production was from 1951 untill 1955.
 
Its a funny attitude towards japan most europeans and americans have. Of course, we beat them, so we can feel pity for them, but the Chinese around here, especially in this city would love to see japan wiped off the face of the planet and with good cause too. I on the other hand am not one of those people but I can understand why the chinese hate them so much. An occupied Japan in chinese eyes would be poetic justice.

To get back to the threds original point, I think the MIOJ thing is quite interesting, I wonder why they decided to put that on the cameras, also like a mark of shame if you ask me, quite the contrary to most asian cultural ideals.
 
I can not answer for cameras per say. With antiques and collectibles market the date is obviously somewhere in the early fifties. What is important is the stamp "Made in Occupied Japan" or "Occupied Japan". Unless it has that on the object it is not considered occupied Japan.
 
- Belgrade is in Europe last time I checked.
- There is nothing like a "European culture". Visit Switzerland and ask around :)
- Even though there is US Army ground restricted for general access, this does not imply that the country is occupied.
- Just like Germany (I'm German) Japan lost a war and was occupied for a reason. Also Germany still has US bases with similar restrictions.

- The MIOJ changed in shape and location on camera bodies and lenses and stopped being used in 52. It was also used on Canon items. I always thought it was used to better market to "occupiers". Many of the MIOJ items found their way to the US via Soliers and tax-free stores. My neighbor has such a Nikon RF system and that's how he got it.

Examples:

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These links basically cover it. It was part of an export control policy:

http://p200.ezboard.com/fnikonhistoricalsocietyfrm2.showPrevMessage?topicID=1633.topic

http://www.americanantiquities.com/articles/article3.html

This is a comprehensive article about the occupation:

http://infoism.net/wiki/Occupied_Japan


While nobody should ever deny the monstrous atrocities committed by Japan in WWII, one should always wonder if the "sins of the fathers" are always irrevocably transmitted to the descendants.
 
I always try to contemplate my own cultures failings before commenting on others, you know that “casting the first stone” thing
 
Agreed with the sins of the fathers, but the problem with Japan was there was never any reflection on the deeds and after trying to ignore the problem for many years, the right wingers who control the government are actively at work trying to revise history.
 
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- Even though there is US Army ground restricted for general access, this does not imply that the country is occupied.

Roland.
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Yes of course I know the US occupation of Japan ended in the early 50's. My comment was partly tongue in cheek because I know Nikon Kiu knows the answers to the questions he posed.

I know several Japanese who would argue that the occupation has indeed not ended at all, but rather only changed form to one less overt.
 
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